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Would you give back a spy drone....that was just used to spy on your country, if the other leader simply asked for it back?

Edit: Just saw the other short thread at the bottom of the page. about the news of them showing this device. But seriously, would you give it back?



Obama says U.S. has asked Iran to return drone aircraft
By the CNN Wire Staff
2011-12-12T23:39:31Z
CNN.com



Iranian officials display what they say is an unmanned U.S. spy plane brought down in Iran last week.
(CNN) -- President Barack Obama said Monday that the United States has asked Iran to return a U.S. drone aircraft that Iran claims it recently brought down in Iranian territory.

"We've asked for it back. We'll see how the Iranians respond," Obama said in a news conference, alongside Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

A top Iranian military official previously vowed not to return the unmanned American stealth plane that it says it has.

"No nation welcomes other countries' spy drones in its territory, and no one sends back the spying equipment and its information back to the country of origin," said Gen. Hossein Salami, deputy commander of Iran's military, the semi-official Fars news agency reported Sunday.

"It makes no difference where this drone originated and which group or country sent it to invade our airspace," Salami said. "This was an act of invasion and belligerence."


Former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney on Monday criticized Obama's decisions on the drone, but for an entirely different reason. He said that, after the aircraft went down, the president should have ordered an airstrike over Iran.

"The right response to that would have been to go in immediately after it had gone down and destroy it," the Republican, who served with President George W. Bush, told CNN's Erin Burnett. "You can do that from the air ... and, in effect, make it impossible for them to benefit from having captured that drone."

Instead, "he asked nicely for them to return it, and they aren't going to," Cheney said.

American officials have not confirmed that the drone shown in a video released last Thursday by Iranian media is a U.S. aircraft. But Pentagon spokesman George Little has said that an American drone is missing and had not been recovered.

Two U.S. officials have confirmed to CNN that the missing drone was part of a CIA reconnaissance mission that involved both the intelligence community and military personnel stationed in Afghanistan.

Iran's official Iran Republic News Agency said the country's armed forces had downed the drone near Kashmar, some 225 kilometers (140 miles) from the border with Afghanistan on December 4.

Salami said downing the plane was "very valuable for us" and "a victory for us and a defeat for our enemies," IRNA reported.

He also said Iran had downed other drones earlier but had not announced those instances because they were not as important.

Iranian TV has aired images of what it says is the drone, an apparently intact RQ-170 drone propped on a pedestal and triumphantly displayed.

One U.S. official said the United States can't be certain it's the real stealth drone, because U.S. personnel don't have access to it. But he added there's no reason to think it's a fake. However, a second senior U.S. military official said that a big question is to how the drone could have remained virtually intact given the high altitude it is believed to have crashed from.

The condition of the drone in the video suggests it was not shot down but suffered a system failure, aviation analyst Bill Sweetman said. There are no burn marks from a fire, no holes and no outward damage. Sweetman noticed a dent along the leading edge but doesn't know what that means.

"It's fairly clear here from the pictures that the outer wings have been separated. The question is, did that happen in the accident or (did they take) them off to move the aircraft?" Sweetman asked.

Iran's U.N. ambassador said in a letter last week that the drone flew 250 kilometers (150 miles) into Iranian territory "to the northern region of the city of Tabas."

The letter from Ambasador Mohammad Khazaee to U.N. Secretary-Genera Ban Ki-moon and the heads of the General Assembly and Security Council said the drone "faced prompt and forceful action" by the armed forces.

"My government emphasizes that this blatant and unprovoked air violation by the United States government is tantamount to an act of hostility against the Islamic Republic of Iran in clear contravention of international law, in particular, the basic tenets of the United Nations Charter," Khazaee's letter said.

He called for U.N. condemnation of U.S. "acts of aggression," as well as "clear and effective measures to be taken to put an end to these dangerous and unlawful acts in line with the United Nations' responsibilities to maintain international and regional peace and security."



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Not going to happen. Unless they swap Iran spies for the spy drone.

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Not without a big ass check, like 8 or 9 figures. Otherwise, put it in some kind of Great Satan museum. Or give to Iranian Miles Dyson.

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What would us do if a Chinese drone crashed in the US.
 
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What would us do if a Chinese drone crashed in the US.
I'm naive enough to think we wouldn't hear about it, or that we'd intercept and destroy it before it got anywhere near our borders.

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Return it if it was still under warranty for cash or at least store credit.

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This may be the one time I'll ever agree with Dick "Shooter" Cheney. We should have blown the drone to bits, assuming we knew where it was. An immediate air strike from the Gulf or Afghanistan. I don't know what the President was thinking. If we were willing to send drones over Iran, created with a cornicopia of our latest technology, we should have been ready to destroy the aircraft if it crashed inside that country.

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This may be the one time I'll ever agree with Dick "Shooter" Cheney. We should have blown the drone to bits, assuming we knew where it was. An immediate air strike from the Gulf or Afghanistan. I don't know what the President was thinking. If we were willing to send drones over Iran, created with a cornicopia of our latest technology, we should have been ready to destroy the aircraft if it crashed inside that country.
Maybe put some kind of self destruct mechanism on them, but I don't think we should be sending hostile planes over there and risking a snowballing of potentially more destructive incidents. Or at least not publicly advocating it.

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Maybe put some kind of self destruct mechanism on them, but I don't think we should be sending hostile planes over there and risking a snowballing of potentially more destructive incidents. Or at least not publicly advocating it.
I'm sure it had one. Perhaps it worked and destroyed what the Pentagon considers vital technology. The lower part of the drone was shrouded in the photo. Speculation is that the Iranians either got lucky (a tech problem on board) or hacked into the satellite feed. Either way, I think we should have "made sure" and destroyed it.

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Is there no self destruct on this thing/
 
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This may be the one time I'll ever agree with Dick "Shooter" Cheney. We should have blown the drone to bits, assuming we knew where it was. An immediate air strike from the Gulf or Afghanistan. I don't know what the President was thinking. If we were willing to send drones over Iran, created with a cornicopia of our latest technology, we should have been ready to destroy the aircraft if it crashed inside that country.
An immediate air strike - on the thousands of square miles in which it could have landed? Might have to dust off some B-29 Superfortresses then.

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Naivete on display...yet another weak move by our weak President...the same guy that had to sleep on the decision to go after Bin Laden, once the Generals said that the Seals had him pinpointed and could kill him...then after sleeping on it, had to literally be pulled off the golf course because the military couldn't wait any longer (notice how he is wearing golf gear and sitting in the corner, relegated to irrelevance, in the famous picture). You heard what General Stanley McChrystal and his aides said about Obama's leadership right? He said Obama didn't know anything about him when they first met (after his appointment) and Obama wasn't engaged -- this is when meeting the guy who was going to run his war in Afghanistan. McChrystal was fired for his honesty.

Once again, Obama is there for reelection purposes only -- he does not lead, he does not engage, he does not govern. He reads speeches, smokes in his study, and campaigns -- that's it. Jarrett, Daley, and Plouffe run the show - and Jarrett hates Daley. He is an empty vehicle whose sole responsibility is reelection...and we wonder why nothing can happen in Washington DC... we simply have no leadership at the top. We have a thin-skinned, partisan, divider with no qualifications, work ethic or even motivation for the job.
 
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An immediate air strike - on the thousands of square miles in which it could have landed? Might have to dust off some B-29 Superfortresses then.
I said "assuming we knew where it was." ;-/-

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Naivete on display...yet another weak move by our weak President...the same guy that had to sleep on the decision to go after Bin Laden, once the Generals said that the Seals had him pinpointed and could kill him...then after sleeping on it, had to literally be pulled off the golf course because the military couldn't wait any longer (notice how he is wearing golf gear and sitting in the corner, relegated to irrelevance, in the famous picture). You heard what General Stanley McChrystal and his aides said about Obama's leadership right? He said Obama didn't know anything about him when they first met (after his appointment) and Obama wasn't engaged -- this is when meeting the guy who was going to run his war in Afghanistan. McChrystal was fired for his honesty.

Once again, Obama is there for reelection purposes only -- he does not lead, he does not engage, he does not govern. He reads speeches, smokes in his study, and campaigns -- that's it. Jarrett, Daley, and Plouffe run the show - and Jarrett hates Daley. He is an empty vehicle whose sole responsibility is reelection...and we wonder why nothing can happen in Washington DC... we simply have no leadership at the top. We have a thin-skinned, partisan, divider with no qualifications, work ethic or even motivation for the job.
Uh, I don't agree with that at all.

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Thing is, if you do blow it up over Iran (self destruct or missile launch on it) you are effectively attacking Iran itself. Never mind you are aiming at your own property, the Iranians can claim, with rather good evidence, that an explosion occurred in Iran and it was most definitely foreign, and explosions never completely disintegrate the target, you always have bits and pieces left over, and sooner or later they'll work out it was American in origin and therefore claim a US attack on Iran, and move in retaliation.

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Cheney wants to go to war, huh?

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This may be the one time I'll ever agree with Dick "Shooter" Cheney. We should have blown the drone to bits, assuming we knew where it was. An immediate air strike from the Gulf or Afghanistan. I don't know what the President was thinking. If we were willing to send drones over Iran, created with a cornicopia of our latest technology, we should have been ready to destroy the aircraft if it crashed inside that country.
That's what I was thinking.

When that stealth helicopter crashed during the Osama capture, they blew it up to their best ability right?

Would have figured they'd do the same here. (granted here it would be an airstrike of some sort).

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