John Bolton on the greatest misconception Democrats have about Republicans

[basso]

This is brilliant, and deserves to be shared far and wide:

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“The core misimpression is that a fundamental belief in liberty and it’s implications is somehow cruel and uncaring. When in fact, liberty is absolutely central to the most massive economic change in the history of the world that has brought more concrete material advantages to people in the last few hundred years than in millennia before that. And that understanding liberty means you have to value the possibility of failure as well as the possibility of success. Because if you don’t have failure as an option, you’ll never have success as an option.

It’s not lack of compassion that drives many Republican policy preferences, it’s a belief in the inherent importance of individual self-worth and not being dependent on external factors like the government.”

[pgabriel]

John Bolton LOL

They were talking about Germany's restrictions on starting a new business on CNBC this morning. its easier in america, somehow that socialist cest pool has a better economy per person

[jo mama]

Originally Posted by basso It’s not lack of compassion that drives many Republican policy preferences, it’s a belief in the inherent importance of individual self-worth and not being dependent on external factors like the government.”

why dont republicans apply this same standard to multi-national corporations, the military industrial complex and wall street?

and btw, john bolton is a douchebag.

[Dubious]

Originally Posted by basso It’s not lack of compassion that drives many Republican policy preferences, it’s their delusion that the inherent importance of individual self-worth exists in a vacuum and is not being dependent on external factors like the society that supports them or the government that affords them their opportunities.”

fixed

Just more evidence of an endemic hubris and self importance, like overpaying the executives who are so important they must be paid or they won't do their jobs, but are oblivious as to why their companies failed, who was running the scams under their watch or where the money is; but against paying the teachers a living wage when they are the basis of the country's economy.

[Major]

Originally Posted by basso “The core misimpression is that a fundamental belief in liberty and it’s implications is somehow cruel and uncaring. When in fact, liberty is absolutely central to the most massive economic change in the history of the world that has brought more concrete material advantages to people in the last few hundred years than in millennia before that. And that understanding liberty means you have to value the possibility of failure as well as the possibility of success. Because if you don’t have failure as an option, you’ll never have success as an option.

Except, of course, when those free people don't share his views:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...48-503544.html

John Bolton: Egyptian Democracy May be Bad News

[Dubious]

Why does someone grow a walrus mustache? It's got to get in the way when you eat.

[basso]

Originally Posted by Dubious fixed Just more evidence of an endemic hubris and self importance, like overpaying the executives who are so important they must be paid or they won't do their jobs, but are oblivious as to why their companies failed, who was running the scams under their watch or where the money is; but against paying the teachers a living wage when they are the basis of the country's economy.

well, that pretty much sums up the differences then- one side believes rights, and opportunity, are granted and controlled by the government. the other believes that rights are innate, and opportunity flows from the greatest economic freedom.

i side w/ nature and liberty.

[Dubious]

not granted, afforded

'Society' means we work together to pool our efforts to yield a result greater than the parts.

Your "freedom" comes from other people out there teaching the children, caring for the sick, putting out the fires, fighting the wars, building the infrastructure, moving the goods performing the services, taking care of the sewage, taking a way the garbage; but all the Republicans ever consider is that these things happen because the people that do them are undermotivated to become bankers, lawyers and managers.

They are equal and essential functions of society and deserve equal representation in government and a livable wage with a reasonable amount of health care and social security for their efforts.

For me, the guy that comes out and sucks the crap out of my sewer line so that it makes it to the lift station instead of backing up into my house should make a better living than the guy who is falsely rating mortgages in an office in Manhattan. (or whatever it is you do)

[Major]

Originally Posted by basso i side w/ nature and liberty.

Except, of course, when you don't.

[jo mama]

Originally Posted by Dubious Why does someone grow a walrus mustache? It's got to get in the way when you eat.

ladies love 'the tickler'.

Originally Posted by basso i side w/ nature and liberty.

not if you are a republican.

[Northside Storm]

Which liberty exactly?

The liberty to have a same-sex marriage or an abortion?

The liberty to smoke marijuana?

The liberty of well, not living in the highest incarceration rate country, supported by a fourth amendment-violating surveillance system, delivered by yours truly, liberty loving Republicans?

Or, heh, the liberty not to pay taxes?

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by basso i side w/ nature and liberty.

basso leads the charge and tries to show the way for Liberals only to be pelted by unAmerican posters...

[basso]

Originally Posted by Major Except, of course, when you don't.

which is when?

[basso]

Originally Posted by Northside Storm Which liberty exactly? The liberty to have a same-sex marriage

yes

Originally Posted by Northside Storm or an abortion?

no

Originally Posted by Northside Storm The liberty to smoke marijuana?

sure.

Originally Posted by Northside Storm The liberty of well, not living in the highest incarceration rate country, supported by a fourth amendment-violating surveillance system, delivered by yours truly, liberty loving Republicans?

a statement, not a question

Originally Posted by Northside Storm Or, heh, the liberty not to pay taxes?

i pay far more in taxes than you.

[Dubious]

i pay far more in taxes than you.

It's a godamn privilege, that comes with no more moral authority. You pay more taxes because all the working stiffs out there in America do their jobs allowing you to make enough to pay more taxes.

That's what You (the royal you) don't get. Everyone else is out here working, probably harder than you; no office, no coffee, no lunch break, no ergo chair, no posting inane bull**** on company time. It's a system. It's inter-related, it works because we work together. It doesn't work when one part is exploitative, duplicitous, liars, overpaid by cronyism, and then subverts the system with the money so they can make more money.

[ROXTXIA]

Originally Posted by basso This is brilliant, and deserves to be shared far and wide: -- “The core misimpression is that a fundamental belief in liberty and it’s implications is somehow cruel and uncaring. When in fact, liberty is absolutely central to the most massive economic change in the history of the world that has brought more concrete material advantages to people in the last few hundred years than in millennia before that. And that understanding liberty means you have to value the possibility of failure as well as the possibility of success. Because if you don’t have failure as an option, you’ll never have success as an option. It’s not lack of compassion that drives many Republican policy preferences, it’s a belief in the inherent importance of individual self-worth and not being dependent on external factors like the government.”

The fact that you post this just shows you're as ignorant as Bolton. Wow, you even called it brilliant.

The comment underscores republican ignorance of the left more than vice versa.

Do I have to go find some quote from the far-far-far-left and start a worthless thread about it?

[gifford1967]

Originally Posted by basso which is when?

Why don't you take another crack at this question and then we'll have a better idea at where you draw the line between liberty and tyranny.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread...on#post5207643 Originally Posted by gifford1967 I just want to hear your rationale for why Federal funding for, and mandates to govern, the delivery of medical services are an assault on freedom- But Federal funding for, and mandates to govern, the delivery of special education services are not an assault on freedom. Originally Posted by basso sorry, no.

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by Northside Storm Which liberty exactly? The liberty to have a same-sex marriage or an abortion? The liberty to smoke marijuana? The liberty of well, not living in the highest incarceration rate country, supported by a fourth amendment-violating surveillance system, delivered by yours truly, liberty loving Republicans? Or, heh, the liberty not to pay taxes?

The liberty of constant self serving diversion.

[basso]

Originally Posted by gifford1967 Why don't you take another crack at this question and then we'll have a better idea at where you draw the line between liberty and tyranny.

sorry, no.

[Northside Storm]

Originally Posted by basso i pay far more in taxes than you.

And I bet that's where the need for liberty hits you hardest.

I'd ask more standard "liberty" questions---(like do you believe in the complete liberty of mobility of labour aka, amnesty for illegal immigrants, and an opening of the borders?) but I think it's been established pretty clearly that the standard Republican view (minus the libertarians---who are at least consistently ideological) is massively against nature and liberty.