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Israel's rights groups condemn 'Jews only' businesses

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, Aug 10, 2011.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Shocking for the year 2011.
     
  2. geeimsobored

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    This isn't new. It's actually illegal too. The Israeli Supreme Court banned this type of stuff years ago but seeing as how Israel doesn't actually have a constitution that outlines any enforcement of such rulings, its pretty easy to ignore it. Not to mention a lot of local authorities simply don't bother with these things. Housing discrimination is technically illegal too but no one particularly cares about that either.

    Also a lot of companies restrict hiring to those that have served in the IDF which includes almost every Jew (due to mandatory service) but excludes most Israeli-Arabs since they don't have to serve in the IDF.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Yes, that's wrong. Just like the fact that in several Arab countries, Jews cannot even enter the country, let alone be employed.
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I think they should be able to do whatever they want, and eventually companies that hire the best employees will take over the market.

    DD
     
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    Owned
     
  6. da_juice

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    I don't really see how he owned him. 95% of his statement agreed with Mathloom's post, and the last bit covers a similar topic not mentioned in Mathloom's post. He never refuted anything, so he didn't "own" him.
     
  7. penda45

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    Several Arab countries don't call themselves democracies...
     
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  8. AMS

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    lol... hahhahah awesome
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Probably why they are all rioting these days.

    DD
     
  10. AMS

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    Lol, actually many of those rioting do claim to be democracies
     
  11. bucket

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    Maybe. If discrimination is so pervasive as to kill the incentive to get an education or work hard, then the best employees might actually be those in the favored group. People tend not to try hard when they know it won't get them anywhere.
     
  12. Dairy Ashford

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    Or, since 90% of the professional world is networking and "leadership," and most skills can be taught to just about anyone at the same educational level, people from preferred social groups will get the opportunities, resources and professional network necessary to perpetuate the disparity, across communities and generations; and companies won't lose a penny.
     
  13. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I understand the point you are trying to make, but it is both wrong and irrelevant to the conversation.

    Jews are allowed to enter any Arab country. There are Arab Jews you genius, living in Kuwait and Bahrain. There are Jews in government in Bahrain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houda_Nonoo

    So firstly, it's Israelis (rather than Jews) who are not allowed into certain countries, and those countries are not only Arab. In fact, these countries don't recognize Israel as a state and CONSEQUENTLY Israelis can't get into these countries. However, we've seen Israelis in these countries in the past and it has been publicized. I know you are particularly well aware that Israelis have come and gone in Dubai after an initial mess over the tennis player - who was eventually allowed to enter FYI. If the gulf countries were hell-bent on not allowing Jews into the country, they wouldn't allow Israeli Jews with dual citizenship to enter the country - yet it does, and the UAE is fully aware that most Israeli Jews have dual citizenship. Here, you've either made a mistake with terminology, or you are sensationalizing things again because it hurts you to concede that Israel's democratic model has serious chinks without taking a pot-shot at people you deem to be enemies of Jews.

    Secondly, it's not relevant and I'm interested in why you found it necessary to even mention. If you are trying to add context into the conversation and provide a point of comparison, then please use the entire world and not just a select few Arab countries. How about instead of using these Arab countries, you compare Israel to countries who are as proud of their own democratic model as Israel? That would be a relevant comparison and provide context. If we are going to use the last non-democracies in the world as a comparison point for Israeli democracy, then Israel has already lost.
     
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    Would this logic have applied to slavery (extreme form of discrimination)? Not sure how these hypothetical companies would have ever competed against those with free labor...

    Point being, Free Market Economies are not the best weapon against discrimination. You can't just let them 'do whatever they want'. That kind of thinking would put this country back a few decades, perhaps more.

    Directly on the OP, we should all be glad that there are some in Israel that are standing up against this practice. Need more of those folks in all parts of the world tbh.
     
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    Agreed. Especially in countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi-Arabia, Yemen, UAE, etc. etc. etc.
     
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    So we're all in agreement, this is a bad practice.

    Great debating with you guys, ttyl!
     
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    Except the USA doesn't unconditionally support these countries without a pure purpose.

    We support Saudi to take their oil and Pakistan to fight the Taliban.

    We give billions annually to Israel and have defended them to the extent we have spilled American Blood for that nation. We are the only one's in the world that never stand up against them in the UN and this adversely affects our global standing.

    If people are cutting off heads in the streets in Pakistan or Yemen, I really don't give a damn because America isn't subsidizing their way of life the way we are the few million people in Israel.
     
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  18. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Nope, the baseline should be freedom. That includes freedom to discriminate. The whole concept of private ownership is the ability to exclude. Taking away that ability for privately owned businesses is wrong. There should be no discrimination allowed in publicly owned or funded enterprises, but the government should stay out of private businesses.
     
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    yeah, let's go back to Victorian England, child labor and amputated arms are so cool.
     
  20. dback816

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    So you support discrimination?

    Maybe you should put that in your sig

    "I am DD and I support discrimination"
     

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