Son Kills His Own Father.

[Montaro]

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Originally Posted by Article RIVERSIDE, Calif. — The day before he allegedly shot his father, the sandy-haired 10-year-old boy showed off a prized possession to a visitor. It was a thin leather belt emblazoned with a silver insignia of the Nazi SS. “Look what my dad got me,” the boy said shyly, perched on the living room stairs, one of the few quiet spots in a house with five children. A little more than 12 hours later, the police say, the boy stood near those stairs with a handgun and killed his father, Jeff Hall, as he lay on the living room couch. It was about 4 a.m. on May 1; paramedics declared Mr. Hall dead when they arrived. The police say that the killing was intentional, but that the motives behind it are still not fully understood. But whatever the reason, it has cast fresh light on the fringe group to which Mr. Hall devoted his life: the National Socialist Movement, the nation’s largest neo-Nazi party, whose message stands in surreal juxtaposition to the suburban, workaday trappings of many of its members. Mr. Hall, who led a chapter of the group in Riverside, Calif., east of Los Angeles, had predicted that his political activities — in a world rife with hatred, suspicion and violence — would lead to his demise. “I want a white society,” Mr. Hall said. “I believe in secession. I believe in giving my life for secession.” What he could never have expected was that his death might come at the hand of his son, whom he was steeping in his beliefs of white supremacy and its obsessions with weapons, racist speech and Nazi regalia. Advertise | AdChoices Over the last two months, The New York Times attended and documented a series of events held by Mr. Hall and the National Socialist Movement, or N.S.M., including virulent, hate-filled rallies as well as barbecues and baby showers in the backyard of his Southern California home. Mr. Hall was a rising force in the party, which has capitalized on a tide of anti-immigrant sentiment to attract members — young racist skinheads, aging Ku Klux Klan members, and extremists on the left and the right. 'White man marches on' Based in Detroit, it is the largest supremacist group, with about 400 members in 32 states, though much of its prominence followed the decay of Aryan Nation and other neo-Nazi groups, experts say. The movement is led by Jeff Schoep, a suit-wearing spokesman for what he calls a “white civil rights movement,” which he views as no different from other groups that defend minorities. “If we’re a hate group,” said Mr. Schoep in an interview, “then Martin Luther King is a racist or a bigot also.” Only on msnbc.com US: Pakistan hasn't shared detailed bin Laden logs Galleon conviction may be tip of the iceberg Marathon runners practice on 'Road of Death' Jaguar, once nearly extinct, bares claws Facebook flaw leaked millions of user access tokens NBC's Richard Engel answers your Libya questions New life for an old rumor: Was bin Laden 'Marfanoid'? Mr. Hall, 32, had embraced the movement and vice versa, earning a loyal following with his energy, unapologetic stands on race and frequent meetings and parties at his home. In recent years, he and other members had staged rallies that sparked street battles in several states, including a skirmish in Pemberton, N.J., during the group’s national conference in April, where rocks, tree branches, folding chairs and pepper spray were used as weapons. After the fight, Mr. Hall — wearing a black Nazi military uniform — was hungry for more. “That’s why I joined N.S.M.,” Mr. Hall said, his eyes red from mace. “What a night! I can’t wait for tomorrow!” Mr. Hall, a garrulous plumber with a cross and a skull tattooed on the back of his shaved head, ran as a National Socialist for a seat on a local water district last fall and won a surprising 28 percent of the vote. He planned to run for office again. Mr. Schoep has said the group wants to try its hand at more elections, and it has even tried to mimic the populist language used by some candidates during the 2010 campaign, railing against banks receiving “tax-funded federal bailouts” while Americans continue to struggle. “The government tells us we’re in recovery,” Mr. Schoep told a crowd in New Jersey. “Well yeah, if you’re a fat cat on Wall Street, if you’re some greedy Jew running a bank that got a whole bunch of kickbacks, maybe it is better. But not for us.” Illegal immigration has also emerged as a potent neo-Nazi talking point, and Mr. Hall relished heading to the desert on armed “border patrols.” He organized his members and spent his plumbing proceeds on night-vision goggles and ham radio licenses. Mr. Hall also bragged that he was teaching his son to use night vision equipment and shoot a gun. And while many of those involved in the N.S.M. are alienated from their families, or struggle to explain their beliefs, Mr. Hall was open about his activities with his children. His two-story home in Riverside served as the movement’s headquarters in Southern California. Inside, photos of his five children lined the walls and a copy of “Cinderella” sat on the bookshelf. At a recent meeting, Mr. Hall showed a video he had made of the national gathering in New Jersey and the brawl. As the end credits rolled, a version of “Battle Hymn of the Republic” played, with modified lyrics. Advertise | AdChoices “The white man marches on!” it said. One of Mr. Hall’s young daughters was watching through a screen door and chimed in. “I love that song, Daddy,” she said. 'Boys are more important' Raphael Ezekiel, a research associate at the Harvard School of Public Health who studied skinheads for his book “The Racist Mind,” said: “They’re people who feel very weak. So they’re a pushover if a person with a little bit of charisma comes along.” And indeed, in March, Mr. Hall led a rally in Claremont, Calif., at which he preached discipline to his followers while grumbling about pat-downs from a large police contingent. About two dozen of the party followers traded insults with a larger group of counterprotesters. Mr. Hall took joy in the taunts of “Nazi Go Home!”

Even though this Nazi guy was against non-white, including myself, I still feel like it's a sad and messed up situation. Killing your own father is sad enough even though he deserved it.

[Big MAK]

I don't feel bad for the dad. Kid, on the other hand, is going to be fked up for the rest of his life... But, I guess if you're dad's a nazi, you don't have much hope to begin with.

[knote32]

Great day for America. The kid is a hero. Hopefully they let a solid black family raise him to change his perception.

[MadMax]

This man was already living in Hell.

[javal_lon]

Kid just needs a Joe Jackson azz whippin

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by MadMax This man was already living in Hell.

So was his family, only their Hell on Earth continues. This boy will forever be defined by what he did, as will his father.

[DieHard Rocket]

It's hard to believe that there are people out there devoting their lives to something so petty in the grand scheme of things. Life is too short for that.

[Northside Storm]

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.

i'm an atheist, so all I can do is hope that this stops the cycle of violence. Somewhere out there though, I'm kinda hoping Christians/the religious aren't just condemning both of them to the horrific punishment possible, but praying for their poor souls. They might be misguided, and spreaders of hate, but like the good doctor says, you can't fight hate with hate. Nothing to do for the father, but I really hope the son can realize his actions eventually, and come to terms with them.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Northside Storm i'm an atheist, so all I can do is hope that this stops the cycle of violence. Somewhere out there though, I'm kinda hoping Christians/the religious aren't just condemning both of them to the horrific punishment possible, but praying for their poor souls. They might be misguided, and spreaders of hate, but like the good doctor says, you can't fight hate with hate. Nothing to do for the father, but I really hope the son can realize his actions eventually, and come to terms with them.

absolutely...nice post.

[rocketsjudoka]

To me this seems like a function of Karma where the suffering this man dished out has come back to him and unfortunately to his son.

[RedRedemption]

Socialism is fine. Nothing wrong with believing in it; no matter how improbable it is to take hold in America. White supremacy is not. Kill them!

[CrazyDave]

Thought this was gonna be another StarWars parallel.