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True, I would never do that. Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on it.

The guy wrote a suicide note that obviously was meant to be read, so we all have varying opinions on it.

Surely we are all bothered by what he was suffering with, that is/was horrible.

My only beef is him tossing others under the bus and them having no chance to cure.....or to rectify it with him, what a waste.

There is nothing good that can come of this.......

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or raped when he was 3.
Come on, of course that is horrible....

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must be nice to live in a completely black and white world.

let me ask you...were you raped when you were 3. is being raped your first memory? if not, shut the **** up please.
Just got back to work but will post on and off have some work to do..

Groogrux I'm not sure if this is directed towards me but I'm going to assume it is? From your quote I'm not sure if you were molested/rape as young child or maybe you don't realize how common molestion rape is in today's society?

Really my eyes didn't open up till I was a teen (many years ago) and realized how common molestion / rape is.. It was truely sad and there were many of times I would cry with my friends or close family members and just be there for them.

I'm sorry if my original post sounded like a souless bastard but I never intended it to come out that way.. It truely is sad this man took his own life but he was so young and still had Many "YEARS" to find a solution to his problem. He was only 23? so that right there tells you he was inexperienced with life. I'm sure he kept to himself a lot and didn't have any support because he never spoke of this tramatic experience...

I'm sorry but I believe if he met someone who had the same / similar issues like the one he had he would have a better chance at finding closure of his past. I'm not saying it would be easy or quick but it would be a different start.

I hope this post dosn't come out wrong...

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Damn, poor guy . He doesn't completely say it, but was his father the one who molested him? Obviously it was someone in the church because he said they were 'saved', but it's not very clear. Either way, someone should pay for screwing this guy up...it's so frustrating to know that regardless of what the molester did he probably thinks he'll be okay and he's forgiven because he goes to church.
 
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Many "YEARS" to find a solution to his problem. He was only 23? so that right there tells you he was inexperienced with life.
Actually he was 27. He was molested when he was 4, so he says he's been carrying around this darkness for 23 years.
 
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My only beef is him tossing others under the bus and them having no chance to cure.....or to rectify it with him, what a waste.

There is nothing good that can come of this.......

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Who are these people you're talking about? His parents weren't going to change. He had nothing but great things to say about his relationships and that he had no problem with them, but they didn't work because of him. I can't see what you continue to talk about with regards to rectification.
 
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wow. just wow.

rest in peace, bill.
 
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You know after arriving at work and reading my original post it does sound really bad.... I really should of worded it better and put more thought into it.. (Sorry was rushing to get to work).. I didn't mean any thrashing between members on this thread because of the sensitivy... I apoligize if I offended anyone.

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I disagree that counseling would "definitely not have helped." There's no way he could have known that. He should have given psychiatric sessions a try before he kicked the bucket.
I try not to reveal much about my personal life, but as someone who struggles with his own "darkness" I can tell you that for a lot of us counseling will never help. I do not agree with suicide, but I think anyone who thinks he made a rash decision without exploring his options is being unfair to him.
 
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Who are these people you're talking about? His parents weren't going to change. He had nothing but great things to say about his relationships and that he had no problem with them, but they didn't work because of him. I can't see what you continue to talk about with regards to rectification.
Mostly his parents yeah, you can say "I Have no problem with them" then basically blast them, but doing so in a suicide note and not trying to work things out, man...never mind.

Either way, it is a tragedy, the guy lived a rough life, and took his own.......very sad.

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So you judging others opinion are not?

I am judging what he wrote in the letter, and how he left some things on people's plates selfishly, IMO.

Again, initial reaction was..."What a tragedy"....a horrible horrible tragedy.....


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DaDa, this is one time where you should try to keep your fingers off of the keyboard. Your self righteousness is bad enough normally but this thread can turn ugly pretty quickly if you keep spewing your nonsense in here.
 
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It's sad, yes. I wished I could help people who write these kidns of letters.

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You're not. I also thought that if he had the guts to write a letter, he had the guts to show it to someone to get help. I do not like the cowardly "I'll take my own life away" way either.

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Mostly his parents yeah, you can say "I Have no problem with them" then basically blast them, but doing so in a suicide note and not trying to work things out, man...never mind.

Either way, it is a tragedy, the guy lived a rough life, and took his own.......very sad.

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Are you freaking kidding me? [sentence removed because it was hateful] You have no way of possibly understanding what it means to try to work out the fact that you live a haunted life and that the people you were supposed to be able to rely on are responsible for your nightmares.

Not trying to work things out. What did you want this man to say to these people? There was nothing anyone could say that was ever going to help and I'm sorry you are too self righteous to see that.
 
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Are you freaking kidding me? The most you have to worry about is that you are fat.
WTF is that....?????????

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You do not know me at all, so you have no way of knowing that.

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Not trying to work things out. What did you want this man to say to these people? There was nothing anyone could say that was ever going to help and I'm sorry you are too self righteous to see that.
"nothing anyone could say that would ever help ?" How do you know that?

Ugh, never mind, but that was incredibly rude Just.........

Again......I did not mean to offend, the guy is dead, and clearly took the way he thought best out of the situation.

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That letter is very intense and heartbreaking at the same time. In one of those articles it said he actually survived and was in a coma for several hours until they took him off of life support.

RIP Bill. Hopefully you have found the peace you were looking for.

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I try not to reveal much about my personal life, but as someone who struggles with his own "darkness" I can tell you that for a lot of us counseling will never help. I do not agree with suicide, but I think anyone who thinks he made a rash decision without exploring his options is being unfair to him.
I don't know, man. I don't think you can ever really know that unless you embrace it and give it a real shot. My sister was pretty messed up for a while, but counseling and medication pretty much cured her. For the record, she is completely off meds now and no longer sees a therapist, and is perfectly fine.

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There was nothing anyone could say that was ever going to help
justtxyank on this quote alone DD and you are in total different spectrum of thinking... I think it is safe to say "we can agree to disagree"? Doesn't mean he's right or wrong or that you either right or wrong.. It's an opionion.

I know I'm on think ice but every individual sees a situation differently.. I'm not a typical thinker so I have to look at all avenues.

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