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Qball is offline Old 12-17-2010, 11:42 AM   #1
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A small step but the idea is intriguing to say the least.

Spintronics: A New Way To Store Digital Data

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Scientists at the University of Utah have taken an important step toward the day when digital information can be stored in the spin of an atom's nucleus, rather than as an electrical charge in a semiconductor.

The scientists' setup requires powerful magnets and can only be operated at minus 454 degrees Fahrenheit, so don't expect to see spin memory on the shelf at a computer store anytime soon.

Christoph Boehme, an associate professor at the University of Utah, says the most important thing he and his team have done is show that it's possible to store information in spin and read it rather easily.

Here's how they did it: First, they used a strong magnetic field to make sure all their atoms were pointing in the same direction. Then they measured which way the nucleus of an atom was spinning. Physicists don't talk about spinning clockwise or counterclockwise — they call the spins either up or down.

"This up and down can now represent information," says Boehme. "An up means a one, and a down means a zero."

Storing and manipulating these zeroes and ones — bits, in computer parlance — is at the heart of how computers work. Today, those zeroes and ones are stored using electric charge — positive or negative. In the future, things might be different.

"Instead of electronics, people want to use spins and build spintronics, and if you do so, you need to be able to store information," says Boehme.

'Multiple Universes'

As they report in the journal Science, they were able to store information in spins for nearly two minutes. But that wasn't the key achievement.

"The main focus of our study was to show you could read it with an electronic device," he says. In other words, they could use conventional electronics to read out the stored memory. Spintronics has some advantages over electronics. In theory, spin memory should be faster and take less energy to run than electronic memory.

Now, Boehme is working with conventional bits of information. But because he's working with atoms, the setup can take you into the mind-bending world of quantum information. Quantum physics is all about how atoms work.

"In quantum information, I can have a bit which is zero and one at the same time," says John Morton, a physicist at the University of Oxford in England. This idea of being in two places at once is hard to explain. Morton says one way to think about it is to imagine there are multiple universes out there.

"Whenever quantum mechanics allows something to exist in two states at the same time, the universe splits," says Morton, "and you have a universe where it's one thing and a universe where it's in the other state. You can along those lines think about a quantum computer as many parallel computers running in different universes."

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And as long as you can get those universes to talk with another, then you have a very, very powerful computer.

Now, don't feel bad if you're not quite getting why quantum computing is such a desirable thing to have.

"It's not an easy one to explain," says Stephen Lyon, a professor of electrical engineering at Princeton University. He and his colleagues are always trying to entice undergraduates to go into the field of quantum computing.

"The approach we've been taking is to say, if you think of a number between one and four, with a quantum computer you could know the number every time with only a single guess. That doesn't at all tell you how it works, but it does tell you that there's something in there that's kind of different from what most people are used to," says Lyon."It's kind of magical."

Of course it's not really magical — it's physics. Weird physics, but physics.
 
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Yeah but sadly you won't be seeing all these new cool computer tech for another 10 to 20 yrs.
 
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For normal data sets, decoherence will always be a problem (the spins slowly but surely randomizing.) Or at least I haven't see a good way around that.

So what they do then is say "we can use the spins as for quantum computing!" and that sounds really exciting, but you have to figure out what quantum computer would actually be good for. So far as I've read, it's only really useful for simulating quantum systems.

So... not so much "store and analyze this data please" but "um, hey, let's simulate a quantum oscillator in two dimensions! who's with me!" I've heard you can use it for certain types of cryptography, but I haven't heard many other uses.

The work is cool though. Reading and writing without adding additional decoherence will be an interesting trick.

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So what they do then is say "we can use the spins as for quantum computing!" and that sounds really exciting, but you have to figure out what quantum computer would actually be good for. So far as I've read, it's only really useful for simulating quantum systems.
I think the article is referring specifically to data storage, not computation.
 
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I caught the tail end of the NPR story this morning. Pretty cool.
 
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Speaking of futuristic technological advances, i picked up a good book the other day:

Physics of the Impossible: A Scientific Exploration into the World of Phasers, Force Fields, Teleportation, and Time Travel by Michio Kaku


he's the guy who came up with the String theory and does a great job classifying upcoming futuristic technological advances in regard to how realistic their application is in the next 10-50 yrs, 100-500 yrs, and further. Cool stuff in there for anyone interested in the advancements we're making and what their possible applications may be in the future as well as currently.
 
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Speaking of futuristic technological advances, i picked up a good book the other day:

Physics of the Impossible: A Scientific Exploration into the World of Phasers, Force Fields, Teleportation, and Time Travel by Michio Kaku


he's the guy who came up with the String theory and does a great job classifying upcoming futuristic technological advances in regard to how realistic their application is in the next 10-50 yrs, 100-500 yrs, and further. Cool stuff in there for anyone interested in the advancements we're making and what their possible applications may be in the future as well as currently.
Michio Kaku is totally awesome. Him and Carl Sagan are the two in the science field that I totally enjoy listening to.
 
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Speaking of futuristic technological advances, i picked up a good book the other day:

Physics of the Impossible: A Scientific Exploration into the World of Phasers, Force Fields, Teleportation, and Time Travel by Michio Kaku


he's the guy who came up with the String theory and does a great job classifying upcoming futuristic technological advances in regard to how realistic their application is in the next 10-50 yrs, 100-500 yrs, and further. Cool stuff in there for anyone interested in the advancements we're making and what their possible applications may be in the future as well as currently.
You may want to watch this.

 
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I think the article is referring specifically to data storage, not computation.
yes, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I am talking a bit outside the specific article, talking about the context of what you can do with spin data.

It just doesn't make much sense, physically, to store data in a naturally metastable (or worse, typically unstable) physical system. Or it will be really, really expensive to store things this way, at any rate.

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