What We Have Been Missing ???

[rju1986]

Simply stating- and I want to go out on a limb here..

We would not have held on to Scola or kept him for too long, after acquiring him from San Antonio, if it weren't for Yao Ming at center.

That being said.. I still love Scola's tenacity. And is the top hustler on this team. No homo

I'd like to think we have other problems than our PF. Like you said with a decent pg, I'd rather start there. Or maybe not playing a 6'6 center in Chuck Hayes, Or maybe having a SG that can play defense. However..

Scola and Martin have been our ONLY two constants.

[Rashmon]

Originally Posted by bobrek Based on your post, shouldn't you say the Rockets haven't had a true power forward since Kevin Willis since he was on the team after Thorpe?

That was my first thought also.

[worzel gummidge]

Originally Posted by ryano2009 Ok first the OP didn't say that Scola is Overrated, he said his defense presence is bad. Second, how that hell on earth Scola is overrated..? the guy never get any recogntion from the league, he is the probably the most underrated player in the league.

It probably won't last but right now Scola is a 20/10 guy who isn't on a max level contract. His deal is somewhere between the MLE and 2nd/3rd tier players.

[javal_lon]

Originally Posted by Rashmon That was my first thought also.

By the time we got Kevin Willis he was 38 yrs old...That wasnt exactly my point sir.....I saying we should trade a guy who scores 22 pts/12 rebs a game (positive news) for a guy who scores 17 pts/ 10 rebs 3 blks/ and who alters our defensive attitude..... Hence we probably beat GS, Wash, and maybe 2 others....Yall looking too much into Scola...obviously he's not generating wins...and if he's our goto player , you have to admit the record speaks for itself

[javal_lon]

Originally Posted by scottie brooks Defense aside, outscoring your opponent is what determines who wins games actually.

spoken like a true fantasy basketball owner.......and maybe Phoenix will win a championship ******crossing fingers****** GTFOH dummy

[javal_lon]

Originally Posted by Launch Pad Hmmm ... Thorpe was a better defender than Scola ... no doubt. However, unlike the rest of your description of a throwback PF, he was not a terrific shotblocker and did not set the tone defensively in the paint (that role fell to someone we like to call "the Dream"). In fact, his own defense looked even better by being able to funnel his man into Hakeem (who does Scola get to funnel his man into? Chuck Hayes? Yao, but only for 24 min, every other game?). Thorpe was, however, a good rebounder (Scola's not bad at that either) and okay scorer (Scola's better). As for Rafer, he was capable of getting the Rockets into the offensive sets quickly ... until at that inevitable point in every game when he decided he was the god of floaters and would turn into a black hole. So, I would not use him as the example of what this team needs.

If OT did what you said, Hakeem would stay in foul trouble ....PF are not suppose to "funnel his man"...some of yall Basketball IQ is questionable......Did you hear me say anything about Rafer's teardrops???....Neither did I!! what was your point again?????

[jim1961]

What we need is more players that are capable on both ends of the floor.

[javal_lon]

Originally Posted by ryano2009 Trade Scola..? I know the guy is bad on defense, but he is the hardest working player on this team and no I wouldn't trade him for Smith, Smith defense is overrated bcuz he is good shotblocker and high flyer.

That was the reason for this post sir....

[javal_lon]

Originally Posted by jim1961 What we need is more players that are capable on both ends of the floor.

Tilts hat ....Agreed sir

[javal_lon]

Originally Posted by javal_lon Tilts hat ....Agreed sir

Unfortunately , that would exclude any of our starting 5

[el_locoteee]

Originally Posted by javal_lon By the time we got Kevin Willis he was 38 yrs old...That wasnt exactly my point sir.....I saying we should trade a guy who scores 22 pts/12 rebs a game (positive news) for a guy who scores 17 pts/ 10 rebs 3 blks/ and who alters our defensive attitude..... Hence we probably beat GS, Wash, and maybe 2 others....Yall looking too much into Scola...obviously he's not generating wins...and if he's our goto player , you have to admit the record speaks for itself

Are you talking about Josh Smith?

He is 14-9-3 and we probably be the same. Look at Atlanta they can't beat any decent team with a full healthy Atlanta team.

And Josh Smith defense is overrated as Camby DPOY. A athletic guy who block shots and that's it.

[javal_lon]

Originally Posted by el_locoteee Are you talking about Josh Smith? He is 14-9-3 and we probably be the same. Look at Atlanta they can't beat any decent team with a full healthy Atlanta team. And Josh Smith defense is overrated as Camby DPOY. A athletic guy who block shots and that's it.

So 17/10/3 isnt a possibility??? He gets those stats playing the 3...I dont think its too far-fetched to give us 17/10

[jim1961]

Originally Posted by javal_lon Unfortunately , that would exclude any of our starting 5

It excludes most of our team.

[Rockets4279]

What some posters are saying is we need more 2-way players with toughness and swagger/attitude.

[bobrek]

Originally Posted by javal_lon WOW....didnt know there was a post monitor on here...Next time I will be sure to put everything in chronological order for you sir......Heres one now ...pucker up....Now kiss my azz........just kiddin mane....

You're the one that started a thread saying the Rockets haven't had a true power forward since Otis Thorpe, therefore you established 'chronological order'. You then went on to include Kevin Willis as a prototypical power forward the Rockets have lacked, all the while neglecting the fact that the Rockets had Kevin Willis after they had Otis Thorpe. Rather than type some worthless drivel and offensive stuff directed at me, simply admit that you forgot that Kevin Willis used to be on the Rockets team.

[Scolalist]

What we've been missing is defense in the backcourt.

The second best scoring team in the NBA shouldn't be 2-6.

[AKRocketsFan]

We're not the only ones missing that type of PF. Most teams in the league are have and will be. That PF is a thing of the Past. Nowadays you're lucky if you can get a Center who can control the paint defensively.

Josh Smith is probably the best defensive PF in the game second being Gerald Wallace. Neither of those guys fit the mold of the PF of yesterday. The League has changed. Most Power forward have all the skill sets of a 3 except go the dribbles and some of them got that.

Offense is more valued in the NBA today and you can by being mediocre on defense. Think about all PF in the game which ones fit that mold. If they do they call them a Center. Duncan, Pau Gasol, Amare.

[SuperBeeKay]

Originally Posted by Don FakeFan saw Deke's pic. Why Deke was so damn great at age 40? His rebounding and defense was unbelievable.

Fountain of Youth

[javal_lon]

Originally Posted by bobrek You're the one that started a thread saying the Rockets haven't had a true power forward since Otis Thorpe, therefore you established 'chronological order'. You then went on to include Kevin Willis as a prototypical power forward the Rockets have lacked, all the while neglecting the fact that the Rockets had Kevin Willis after they had Otis Thorpe. Rather than type some worthless drivel and offensive stuff directed at me, simply admit that you forgot that Kevin Willis used to be on the Rockets team.

again the Kevin Willis of the ATlanta Hawks would be a protypical PF I would love to have....not the old azz Kevin Willis with the Rockets ......How bout you chronlogically go to another thread!!!!

[CuriousG11]

Originally Posted by jim1961 What we need is more players that are capable on both ends of the floor.

Isn't that what every team needs?