Will Lowry start before the end of the season?

trugoy · 02-18-2010, 08:23 AM

Now that we have an elite shotmaker at SG, isn't it time to move Lowry to start at PG(once he heals) and move Brooks to the bench ala Jason Terry sixth man instant firepower off the bench?

REEKO_HTOWN · 02-18-2010, 08:24 AM

Only way Lowry starts is Brooks is hurt or he gets traded.

J.Will.Xu · 02-18-2010, 08:25 AM

That's a sweet proposal for our coaching staff to consider.

Hopefully Lowry could make it at the end of the season.

Joe Gent · 02-18-2010, 08:27 AM

I prefer him to STAY as a backup, simply because he can change the tempo the second he steps in and that throws off any teams. Kinda like the surprise grenade pulled out the pocket at the last minute.

rocketblaze · 02-18-2010, 08:27 AM

Well maybe this is one positive in Making this trade, we move Lowry to the starting position and have Brooks come of the bench to help out with the Scoring, given that our Six man of the Year candidate is gone....

Line up:
Lowry/ Brooks
Martin/ Budinger
Ariza/ Battier
Scola/ Thomas(hopefully tyrus)
Hayes/ Armstrong/ Andersen

--RB

BrooksBall · 02-18-2010, 08:27 AM

My guess is that Brooks will finish this season out as the starter even if it makes more sense to start Lowry at this point.

There is little doubt that Lowry is Morey's guy in the long run. I think all signs point to that fact. Lowry is a special player and deserves his opportunity to start in this league.

In theory, Brooks could probably fit nicely in a Jamal Crawford/Jason Terry role but my guess is Morey will trade him this offseason. It would probably too awkward and possibly even unfair to Brooks to accept a backup role as a young player who was just given the opportunity.

At the same time, I'm not sure any other team in the league would want him as a starter so, who knows? Maybe he'll become a willing scoring sparkplug for the Rockets?

OremLK · 02-18-2010, 08:29 AM

No, I don't believe that he can bring the same intensity with a starter's minutes. He works so well because he can give 100% as a sparkplug off the bench and not hold anything back.

BrooksBall · 02-18-2010, 08:32 AM

There is also another 6 hours to the trade deadline. We know Morey has put Brooks on the trading block in the past. Who knows what will happen between now and then?

One way or the other, my guess is that Brooks will not be starting here next season. He'll either be somewhere else or coming off the bench. The former is the most likely, in my opinion.

TheFreak · 02-18-2010, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BrooksBall

There is little doubt that Lowry is Morey's guy in the long run. I think all signs point to that fact. Lowry is a special player and deserves his opportunity to start in this league.

I didn't think it was possible too make 3 total b.s. statements in a row like this. Are you just trying to appear impartial due to your user name? If so you've taken it WAY too far.

BasketballReasons · 02-18-2010, 08:36 AM

Here we go again.

trugoy · 02-18-2010, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BrooksBall

My guess is that Brooks will finish this season out as the starter even if it makes more sense to start Lowry at this point.

There is little doubt that Lowry is Morey's guy in the long run. I think all signs point to that fact. Lowry is a special player and deserves his opportunity to start in this league.

In theory, Brooks could probably fit nicely in a Jamal Crawford/Jason Terry role but my guess is Morey will trade him this offseason. It would probably too awkward and possibly even unfair to Brooks to accept a backup role as a young player who was just given the opportunity.

At the same time, I'm not sure any other team in the league would want him as a starter so, who knows? Maybe he'll become a willing scoring sparkplug for the Rockets?

Which team would be willing to trade for brooks? It would have to be a playoff team that has a worse PG option, I am struggling to think of any teams...

CAVS maybe?
Memphis for conley?
Portland?
Toronto?

The options are really thin.

DallasThomas · 02-18-2010, 08:44 AM

I agree that with this team, Lowry might be worth a look alongside the starters.

But, when Yao's back, they're going to be looking for as many shooters as they can cram around him - so that'll definitely be Brooks (assuming he's still here).

BrooksBall · 02-18-2010, 08:47 AM

Here are a couple of key things to consider, trugoy, that you seem to overlook in your posts on this topic:

Since we're not really contenders, even with the Martin addition, until possibly next season with the return of Yao, allowing Brooks to start the rest of this season...

A. Preserves Lowry's body. He plays a pretty reckless brand of basketball. Keeping his minutes where they're at allows you to possibly avoid an additional injury without hindering his development. 10 more mpg for a guy like Lowry is probably not worth the risk in a throwaway season.

B. Allows Brooks to continue inflating his stats. This should increase his trade value to some extent. Yanking his job now would drop his numbers and hurt his image in the eyes of GMs around the league.

Making him the backup now just doesn't seem worth it considering these factors. Lowry will get his chance. I know what you're seeing and how frustrating it is. My advice would be to just be patient. You seem to be overly focused on this season when we aren't really contenders.

BrooksBall · 02-18-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by trugoy

Which team would be willing to trade for brooks? It would have to be a playoff team that has a worse PG option, I am struggling to think of any teams...

CAVS maybe?
Memphis for conley?
Portland?
Toronto?

The options are really thin.

Morey should be able to find him a home if and when he does choose to trade him. It may have to be a multiple player deal.

Brooks is by no means untradable. The receiving team doesn't necessarily need to acquire him as a starter.

Honey Bear · 02-18-2010, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BrooksBall

There is little doubt that Lowry is Morey's guy in the long run. I think all signs point to that fact. Lowry is a special player and deserves his opportunity to start in this league.

Get some sleep. You have no idea what you're talking about.

trugoy · 02-18-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BrooksBall

Here are a couple of key things to consider, trugoy, that you seem to overlook in your posts on this topic:

Since we're not really contenders, even with the Martin addition, until possibly next season with the return of Yao, allowing Brooks to start the rest of this season...

A. Preserves Lowry's body. He plays a pretty reckless brand of basketball. Keeping his minutes where they're at allows you to possibly avoid an additional injury without hindering his development. 10 more mpg for a guy like Lowry is probably not worth the risk in a throwaway season.

B. Allows Brooks to continue inflating his stats. This should increase his trade value to some extent. Yanking his job now would drop his numbers and hurt his image in the eyes of GMs around the league.

Making him the backup now just doesn't seem worth it considering these factors. Lowry will get his chance. I know what you're seeing and how frustrating it is. My advice would be to just be patient. You seem to be overly focused on this season when we aren't really contenders.

Prolly true, I think we shouldn't overlook the importance of sergio to the deal, afterall, we could have done it without sergio and dorsey, but it seems like he was targetted specifically.

BrooksBall · 02-18-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFreak

I didn't think it was possible too make 3 total b.s. statements in a row like this. Are you just trying to appear impartial due to your user name? If so you've taken it WAY too far.

leebigez made the same suggestion a few weeks ago. I'm honestly just calling like I see it. I've felt this way since a couple weeks after Lowry got here last season.

BrooksBall · 02-18-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronny

Get some sleep. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Sleep? What time zone do you live in?

Anyhow, what's your take? What's unreasonable about trugoy's assertion that Lowry is the better option to start with a legit 2 guard in the mix?

It seems reasonable enough to me. I just don't think it will happen until next season for reasons I stated previously.

Honey Bear · 02-18-2010, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BrooksBall

Sleep? What time zone do you live in?

Anyhow, what's your take? What's unreasonable about trugoy's assertion that Lowry is the better option to start with a legit 2 guard in the mix?

It seems reasonable enough to me. I just don't think it will happen until next season for reasons I stated previously.

I'm thinking in terms of contending for a championship or deep playoff run. I couldn't care less about overachieving in the regular season and fizzing out in the first round.

Brooks, although a defensive liability similar to Martin, has an x-factor. He has acceleration that can't be matched and a great outside shot. Playoff basketball is about taking advantage of mismatches, and even though Martin and Brooks have similar games, they play two very different positions in the Adelman offense. Martin moves well without the ball and the mid range game comes easy to him because of his speed and height.

In regards to defense, Martin is now on a team with a defensive mentality - atleast in comparison to Sacramento. He also has the luxury of Battier or Ariza guarding the opposing team's best wing player. Adelman's system is designed to outscore the other team and make the occasional defensive stop, so that's why having two defensive liabilities in the backcourt isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

Lowry is very limited in terms of what he can do with talent on the floor, and very predictable. Unfortunately he doesn't have the skillset to get away with this. He's a good defender and someone you want putting their head down and barreling to the basket. But expecting more out of him just isn't realistic, whether a legit 2 guard is next to him or not. And Lowry becomes even more obsolete with a guy like Yao playing in the paint. Fans on this board severely overrate guys like Landry and Lowry because of how hard they play... and the emotional attachment causes them to look past their limited skill set (especially when defenses pay attention to them).

Melechesh · 02-18-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronny

I'm thinking in terms of contending for a championship or deep playoff run. I couldn't care less about overachieving in the regular season and fizzing out in the first round.

Brooks, although a defensive liability similar to Martin, has an x-factor. He has acceleration that can't be matched and a great outside shot. Playoff basketball is about taking advantage of mismatches, and even though Martin and Brooks have similar games, they play two very different positions in the Adelman offense. Martin moves well without the ball and the mid range game comes easy to him because of his speed and height.

In regards to defense, Martin is now on a team with a defensive mentality - atleast in comparison to Sacramento. He also has the luxury of Battier or Ariza guarding the opposing team's best wing player. Adelman's system is designed to outscore the other team and make the occasional defensive stop, so that's why having two defensive liabilities in the backcourt isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

Lowry is very limited in terms of what he can do with talent on the floor, and very predictable. Unfortunately he doesn't have the skillset to get away with this. He's a good defender and someone you want putting their head down and barreling to the basket. But expecting more out of him just isn't realistic, whether a legit 2 guard is next to him or not. And Lowry becomes even more obsolete with a guy like Yao playing in the paint. Fans on this board severely overrate guys like Landry and Lowry because of how hard they play... and the emotional attachment causes them to look past their limited skill set (especially when defenses pay attention to them).

Great post! Repped.