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[Atlantic] ...someone in this generation will be the last human to eat a bluefin tuna

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  1. Ottomaton

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    ...from the blogs at The Atlantic.

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    The Last of the Bluefin Tuna?

    There is a strong likelihood that someone in this generation will be the last human to eat a bluefin tuna. By most scientific accounts, the species hovers on the brink of extinction, if it hasn't already crossed that line.

    Should bluefin disappear, much of the blame should go to an organization called the International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas (ICCAT), although Carl Safina of the Blue Ocean Institute gave what some consider a more appropriate name, the International Conspiracy to Catch All Tuna. There are now only about 34,000 tuna swimming in the entire western Atlantic, down 82 percent from 1960s levels when the commission started "managing" the fishery.

    ICCAT, which has 48 member countries, has been meeting this week in Porto de Galinhas, Brazil, to go through its annual charade of setting catch limits. They will be unveiled when it adjourns on Sunday.

    I telephoned Dr. Susan Lieberman of the Pew Environmental Group, who is attending the session, to see how things were going. She answered just as she was leaving the conference room and heading out to dinner. I'm not sure whether she sounded more frustrated or pessimistic. In an address to the ICCAT delegates earlier in the week, Lieberman couldn't have been more clear about her group's catch-limit recommendation for Atlantic bluefins: zero.

    "Looking at the science, there's nothing else that makes any sense," she said. "The current quota is driving the species to commercial extinction."

    Not that ICCAT ever pays much attention to science. "Last year ICCAT's scientists said that the quota should be no higher than 15,000 metric tons," said Lieberman. "So they went with 23,000 tons. In reality, with overfishing and illegal fishing, what they actually took is much higher. You can pretty much figure that it was double the quota. What we're calling for is to suspend the fishery. Let it recover, and then you can go back to fishing. But there's tremendous opposition, particularly from the European Union, to cutting anything."

    Bluefins are amazing animals. They can live for 40 years and attain weights of 1,600 pounds, yet they blast through the water at speeds in excess of 60 miles per hour. In other respects, they have everything going against them. The tuna grow slowly, and young females lay a only fraction the number of eggs that older ones do. They only have two spawning grounds, one in the Gulf of Mexico and one in the Mediterranean Sea, and when they are on them, tuna form tight schools, making them easy to catch.

    If ICCAT fails to act responsibly (and I haven't heard of anyone who is betting that it will), Atlantic bluefins' last hope for survival could rest with the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Flora and Fauna (CITES). That group will meet in March 2010 to consider a proposal to list bluefin on its Appendix I, which would ban international trade in the fish. Interestingly, last month ICCAT's own researchers reported that the species clearly qualified for inclusion.

    If science doesn't convince ICCAT to act logically, maybe common sense will. "We're not saying that no one should ever eat bluefin sushi again," said Lieberman. "We're saying that if you want to eat it in the future, you've got to bite the bullet and do the right thing now."

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  2. finalsbound

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    oh noes!!! not my precious bluefin sushi...how will i survive?

    the bluefin is just one species...we are witnessing the beginning of a complete collapse of life in the world's oceans. fish stocks are on the verge of never recovering. they need to ban a huge chunk of it for the moment to let the populations recover.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    Seriously how stupid as a species are we? I mean ....just take care of our house.....sheesh.

    DD
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    Sounds delicious.
     
  5. Ashes

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    I wouldn't mind being the last to eat one.
     
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  6. Mr. Clutch

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    Repped.
     
  7. Cokebabies

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    i dont think this is true. i'm pretty sure they have some farm-raised blue fins somewhere in the ocean.
     
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    To be fair, no matter how much humans can **** up the world, nature will always recovery. Doesn't mean I'm against saving the planet though.
     
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  10. meh

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    Any other side effects besides just this type of tuna dying? If not, I don't see the big deal. It'd just be Darwinism at work.
     
  11. Deckard

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    It's not just the tuna. As finalsbound pointed out, the world's fishery is in danger. Google Atlantic cod, for example.
     
  12. meh

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    So future generation of people won't be eating any saltwater fishes, assuming we can't farm them or something. *shrugs* Now granted, I like fish, and I LOVE sushi, but it's not exactly enough to control fishing.

    There really has to be some catastrophic impact on the entire ocean's ecosystem for nations to actually care. And right now, I don't see any proof that there could be.
     
  13. rhino17

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    I like tuna, but not really a big deal
     
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    The extinction of even a single major species can upset the balance of an entire ecosystem:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_species
     
  15. LosPollosHermanos

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    wow I got a good crack out of this haha :cool: .


    But still, I don't understand how they can be sure of how many tuna are left :confused: . Excuse my ignorance, but if someone would care to clarify.
     
  16. Ottomaton

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    Bluefin is the biggest, baddest tuna. It is like super-tuna. Just as an animal/fish it is amazing. It is one of the top ocean predators and it can grow twice as large as the second largest tuna species.

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    But beyond that, it is one of the two or three most sought after fish in the world. No more bluefin would be like no more steelhead salmon. If you like to eat fish, no bluefin makes the world a less enjoyable place. If you like deep ocean fishing, no bluefin makes the world a crappier place.

    I thought this was relevant because I imagine that the common response to hearing that the Lesser Australian Lungfish or the Western Spadefoot Toad are endangered is generally a big, "So what?". Apparently that seems to be the same response here. That kind of boggles my mind.

    What is a big enough species to make people care? Haddock? Pollock? Salmon?

    And large portions of the population of the world depend on the oceans for food. If the oceans crash, there will be a whole lot more hungry people in the world.
     
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  17. Invisible Fan

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    It's more like one of the unintended effects of capitalism.

    Overfishing will always be a problem because people don't know how much we catch and our tools have been pretty good at catching them.

    The world will adjust. But it might not be in way we want.
     
  18. Oski2005

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    Kind of hope it happens just to see if it'll finally shock some people.
     
  19. aghast

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    Probably won't.

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  20. meh

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    Well, I understand that(forgot the term but knew the idea), hence my statement that these tuna has to be pretty important to be worth saving. But it looks like they aren't.

    Plenty of species have gone extinct due to hunting. And humans are still alive and kicking. So obviously most of these species don't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

    I meant Darwinism in the sense that these tuna are big, easy to catch, and reproduce way too slowly. If only they were less tasty... :)
     

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