Shane Battier's incredible +/- vs Jazz

11-02-2009, 10:41 PM	#1
Artesticles Member Since: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,208 Member: #39311
	This is textbook box score watching vs watching the game and appreciating the little things. Battier wasn't exactly an offensive threat out there... made a few threes, got a few boards, 1 block, 0 steals, 4 dimes. Doesn't seem like a major impact... right? Rockets with Battier on the court: +36 Rockets without Battier on the court: -19 I'm sure the haters will just look the other way and bash the +/- statistic because it doesn't support their Battier agenda. Wasn't Shane supposed to be useless against Utah since their best scorers aren't players Shane would guard? __________________ WE ARE RED NATION!

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11-02-2009, 10:43 PM	#2
Yodels Contributing Member Since: Sep 2002 Posts: 671 Member: #7122
	He is the unofficial player-coach. He plays to win the game. He gives it his all. He doesn't save anything and it rubs off on the other players. __________________ Hotballa: "...there is no D in Antoni" AcesHigh7: "There's no O in Van Gundy either..."

11-02-2009, 10:45 PM	#3
Classic Member Since: Dec 2007 Posts: 822 Member: #29455
	That's insane. Love this team. As big a fan as I am of Tmac, I don't think I want him back. He'd be taking Shane and Budinger's minutes and I think they're more efficient players for this system.

11-02-2009, 10:45 PM	#4
Commodore Member Since: Dec 2007 Posts: 447 Member: #28812
	Yeah that's an incredible stat, even though Morey would say it's a little misleading (he uses much more sophisticated metrics). The weird thing is it's hard to point to any one thing that explains it.

11-02-2009, 10:48 PM	#5
smasstastic Member Since: Jun 2007 Posts: 228 Member: #24197
	A lot of times, Adelman will put Battier on a weaker player since he is such a good help defender

11-02-2009, 10:48 PM	#6
Patience Contributing Member Since: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,429 Member: #3684
	Not a good night for Bob Sacamano... __________________ "this is not American Idol. Public sentiment does not win the Larry O'Brien Trophy. You've to go out there and play. That's the way we like it." -Shane Battier

11-02-2009, 10:48 PM	#7
Ziggy Contributing Member Since: Jun 1999 Posts: 8,556 Member: #543
	I'm glad and unsurprised Shane is still pretty much Shane. All that talk about being more aggressive and all... its just not his game. He already knew that though. __________________ "They play bigger than what they are.. they are a tough team.. they are just hard-working guys. If you don't respect that, you don't respect basketball." - Sloan on the Rockets "his assistants were taking notes..[seeking] to identify the elements that made Houston so successful.. never mentioned Houston’s stars by name, instead, he gushed about the likes of Chuck Hayes.." - Riley on The Streak -Whatever it is they have, its bigger than analytics and its deeper than x's and o's-

11-02-2009, 10:48 PM	#8
TSchmal Member Since: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,522 Member: #39392
	Don't forget Chuck Hayes' +20. Defense wins games.

11-02-2009, 10:49 PM

durvasa

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Originally Posted by Commodore

Yeah that's an incredible stat, even though Morey would say it's a little misleading (he uses much more sophisticated metrics).

The weird thing is it's hard to point to any one thing that explains it.

I thought he played a terrific defensive game.

11-02-2009, 10:49 PM	#10
allforone Member Since: Jun 2007 Posts: 344 Member: #24163
	his composure, the way he chased off Deron all-over the court was simply amazing. and he's still effective on 3s, and having so much impact on other players ,mentoring them how to stand in the way to create offensive fouls....bravo!!!!!! __________________ limits, like fears, are nothing but illusions

11-02-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TSchmal

Don't forget Chuck Hayes' +20.

Defense wins games.

Except w/o yao this team sucks on d.

11-02-2009, 10:52 PM

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Bob Sacamano

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What was his +/- for the first 3 games? Anybody know?

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i would keep battier over ariza even though ariza is only 24 battier is a championship caliber role player while ariza is just a solid good role player

11-02-2009, 10:53 PM	#13
JeopardE Member Since: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,001 Member: #18598
	Brooks was having a lot of trouble containing Deron Williams early. Adelman switched Battier onto Williams, and he just shut him down. That's when the Rockets really started to take control.

11-02-2009, 10:54 PM

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What was his +/- for the first 3 games? Anybody know?

-22,-2,+1.

still....................

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11-02-2009, 10:54 PM	#15
Carl Herrera Contributing Member Since: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,616 Member: #22691
	It's clear that Battier's failure to cheer hard enough while on the bench was causing the Rockets not to have any energy. The negativity was infectious whenever he gets benched and complains incessantly. __________________ Mutombo will be missed. Trevor Ariza = Ron Artest With Pants On

11-02-2009, 10:54 PM

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Except w/o yao this team sucks on d.

Not exactly.

Against teams like Utah, who have big men that are shooters, Yao is pretty much useless. See Toronto game last year....

Of course, against Dwight Howard, Shaq, Gasol, and Duncan, our defense sucks.

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11-02-2009, 10:54 PM

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I'd also like to know his +/- for last season's playoffs, if somebody could find it for me. Thanks in advance.

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i would keep battier over ariza even though ariza is only 24 battier is a championship caliber role player while ariza is just a solid good role player

11-02-2009, 10:56 PM

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This is textbook box score watching vs watching the game and appreciating the little things.

Battier wasn't exactly an offensive threat out there... made a few threes, got a few boards, 1 block, 0 steals, 4 dimes. Doesn't seem like a major impact... right?

Rockets with Battier on the court: +36
Rockets without Battier on the court: -19

I'm sure the haters will just look the other way and bash the +/- statistic because it doesn't support their Battier agenda. Wasn't Shane supposed to be useless against Utah since their best scorers aren't players Shane would guard?

Historically speaking Battier has struggled a lot against them. This is not an opinion,it's a fact. I'm very happy to see him having a great game.

11-02-2009, 10:58 PM	#19
across110thstreet Contributing Member Since: Mar 2001 Posts: 6,099 Member: #2331
	he leads on the floor and from the bench. he is the father figure for this team and encourages these new guys to play at their best level. __________________ “Hey, we’re part of the NBA, too,” Battier said. “We’ve got the NBA logo socks to prove it.”