D!Ohbama: President not familiar with House Health Care bill

So...

The Bill hasn't been passed, and the President seems as if he will veto any bill that has such language.

 

...yet another example of Obama confidently proclaiming things that he really doesn't know jack about. How can anyone believe a word this guy says? Everything is deception and misdirection with him. Don't you feel like you are being manipulated?

It's just one big game of hide the salami.

 

Hide the salami?

really?

 

Reading is Fundamental...

 

First and foremost that bill is over 1000 pages long (1018 to be precise) and to expect anyone to memorize every section is simply ridiculous. Not only that but furthermore this section 102 paranoia has been everywhere and NONE of those articles have posted the section in context. They took a sub-paragraph and made some silly interpretation to fit the hysteria surrounding conservative conceptions of health care.

Also, if you're going to post something like that, TAKE THE TIME TO READ THE DAMN SECTION.

At least pretend to try to have an informative discussion. I'll settle for the intellectual depth of a kiddie pool.

So anyway, the section states - "Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law. It's a section on grandfathering existing coverage, not a ban on private insurance like you pretend.

Now that might sound like a ban except no one quotes Section C stating "Individual health insurance coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-participating health benefits plan."

The exchange participating part deals with the slew of new regulations on private insurance within the bill. Now you can debate whether those regulations are good, or you can instead mindlessly post more articles without saying anything.

 

nice

+ reps for geeimsobored

 

can't believe you haven't created a thread about his jeans yet

 

basso got "geeimsoBURNED"

Plus, how many more times are you going to overuse (and impossibly misspell) Doh!bamma? It's like a 4 year old who does something funny once and then keeps doing it expecting everybody to laugh and all the adults try to humor him by chuckling but then roll their eyes at eachother like "I know he's my kid, but sheesh". You know what I'm talking about.

+rep for geeimsobored btw

 

There was a doctor on a news station here in Houston quoting this, this morning. she said she read the bill twice, she said something like (sorry for not remembering exactly), if your plan changed and you had purchased your own plan when it changed and you're up for a new plan you have to take the gov't option.

A guy at work was saying it yesterday and I almost started a thread on it, but he's a winger so I was going to ridicule him in the thread (even though I like personally). But then I thought I better wait till I get facts on what he was referring to

 

misleading title. should be

President not familiar with section 102 paragragph X of House Health Care bill

or

President has not memorized all 1000 plus pages of House Health Care bill

 

Well there are specific rules on existing plans, should the bill pass. For example, your insurer wouldn't be able to raise your premium and exemptions from any new regulations on private insurance would only last 5 years before your pre-existing policy would have to conform to existing rules. Basically after 5 years all policies will have to conform to the regulations within the bill.

Like I said, everyone has conveniently ignored subsection c of section 102. It's pretty explicit and if you read starting at Section 111, it starts to talk about the new regulations on private care, (starting with denial based on pre-existing conditions, price discrimination rules, etc..

And if you read Title II (it's pretty long) it defines an exchange-participating program and all of the conditions that come with that.

 

mcmark, unless you have been living in a Volkswagon Microbus that doubles as a mobile hemp farm, you would be aware of Obama's recent media blitzkrieg to advance this fatally flawed DeathCare proposal. He has been talking out of his ace the entire time, as the man truly knows nothing about healthcare. Your post above only buttresses my very salient point.

 

You're right I hijacked your thread to respond to a bull**** WSJ article that was cited so to reiterate what I said before.

The bill is 1000 pages long and the president cant be expected to remember specific sections so when a random person says "hey I heard section 102 bans private insurance," the president doesnt remember the specific section so he cant say "well if you read two subsections down you'll see that the bill states that private insurance is legal provided it follows new regulations."

Instead he says, look I cant recall what that section says but my bill keeps private insurance legal. He said what he knew, and he didnt remember a specific section. And more importantly he's right.

Not to mention the broader point of me posting what I said was that the people who are criticizing Obama for not remembering a sub-sub section of a bill havent even bothered to read the cover of the bill, let alone any of the actual text.

Seems pretty simple to me.

 

Maybe you can post your point in text form when you create a thread in the future as an effort to avoid these kinds of misunderstandings?

 

That's because there is no such provision. In other words, Obama is saying in a wry way that mocks the false outrage of the right and their ridiculous attempts to spin lies, that it is false.

 

No-one here gave you permission to speak to me. If I want your opinion, I will give it to you.

 

OHHHHH!!!!