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Army reports stunning spike in suicides during Obama's inauguration month

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  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

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    With Obama as the new CIC, the army can expect less resources and less respect. Obama is not off to a good start at all.


    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6248203.html

    Army reports stunning rise in suicides last month
    By PAULINE JELINEK Associated Press
    Feb. 5, 2009, 8:29PM

    WASHINGTON — The Army is investigating an unexplained and stunning spike in suicides in January. The count is likely to surpass the number of combat deaths reported last month by all branches of the armed forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere in the fight against terrorism.


    “In January, we lost more soldiers to suicide than to al-Qaida,” said Paul Rieckhoff, director of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. He urged “bold and immediate action” by the departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs.


    According to figures obtained by The Associated Press, there were seven confirmed suicides last month, compared with five a year earlier. An additional 17 cases from January are under investigation.


    There was no detailed breakdown available for January, such as the percentage of suicides that occurred in Iraq and Afghanistan or information about the dead. But just one base — Fort Campbell in Kentucky — reported that four soldiers killed themselves near the installation, where 14,000 soldiers from the two war have returned from duty since October.


    Some Fort Campbell soldiers have done three or four tours of duty in the wars. “They come back and they really need to be in a supportive environment,” said Dr. Bret Logan, a commander at the base’s Blanchfield Army Community Hospital. “They really need to be nourished back to normalcy because they have been in a very extreme experience that makes them vulnerable to all kinds of problems.”


    Officials said they did not know what caused the rise in suicides last month and that it often takes time to fully investigate a number of the deaths. “There is no way to know — we have not identified any particular problem,” said Lt. Col. Mike Moose, a spokesman for Army personnel issues.


    Yearly suicides have risen steadily since 2004 amid increasing stress on the force from long and repeated tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan.


    The service has rarely, if ever, released a month-by-month update on suicides. But officials said Thursday they wanted to re-emphasize “the urgency and seriousness necessary for preventive action at all levels” of the force.


    The seven confirmed suicides and 17 other suspected suicides in January were far above the toll for most months. Self-inflicted deaths were at 12 or fewer for each of nine months in 2008, Army data showed. The highest monthly number last year was 14 in August.


    Usually the vast majority of suspected suicides are eventually confirmed. If that holds true, it would mean that self-inflicted deaths in January surpassed the 16 combat deaths reported last month in all branches of the armed forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and other nations considered part of the global fight against terrorism.


    Army leaders took the unusual step of briefing congressional leaders on the information Thursday.


    An annual report last week showed that soldiers killed themselves at the highest rate on record in 2008. The toll for all of last year — 128 confirmed and 15 pending investigation — was an increase for the fourth straight year. It even surpassed the civilian rate adjusted to reflect the age and gender differences in the military.


    “The trend and trajectory seen in January further heightens the seriousness and urgency that all of us must have in preventing suicides,” Gen. Peter Chiarelli, the Army’s vice chief of staff, said Thursday.


    The other services did not immediately provide information on their suicide figures for January. But the Army in the past few years has posted a consistently higher rate of suicides than the Navy, Air Force and Marines as it has carried the largest burden of the two largely ground wars.


    In announcing the 2008 figures last week, the Army said it would hold special training from Feb. 15 to March 15 to help troops recognize suicidal behaviors and to intervene if they see such behavior in a buddy. After that, the Army also plans a suicide prevention program for all soldiers from the top of the chain of command down.


    Yearly increases in suicides have been recorded since 2004, when there were 64 all year. Officials have said over the years that they found that the most common factors were soldiers suffering problems with their personal relationships, legal or financial issues and problems on the job.


    But Army Secretary Pete Geren acknowledged last week that officials have been stumped by the spiraling number of cases.


    The relentless rise in suicides has frustrated the service, which has tried to address the issue through additional suicide prevention training, the hiring of more psychiatrists and other mental health staff, and other programs both at home and at the battlefront for troops and their families.


    In October, the Army and the National Institute of Mental Health signed an agreement to do a five-year study to identify factors affecting the mental and behavioral health of soldiers and come up with intervention strategies at intervals along the way.
     
  2. Red Chocolate

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    This has everything to do with exposure to neurotoxins, constant dehumanization, and knowledge of fighting a fraudulent war, but nothing to do with Obama.
     
  3. rimrocker

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    Interesting. Who could have imagined that your title and comment have nothing to do with the article you used as inspiration. It's clear you didn't even read the article you posted because just about every paragraph contradicts your assertion and most mention the probable causality of multiple and extended tours in a war zone... a war zone that was created by the whims of the political strategists in the Bush White House.

    Besides, Bush was president for 19.5 days in January, so if you're idiotic enough to suggest that soldiers killed themselves because Obama became president, then it obviously follows that 2/3 killed themselves because W was president.
     
  4. Cannonball

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    Dude, WTF? Did you just use the subject of suicide as the basis for one of your twisted titles? That's just wrong. Not cool.
     
  5. MadMax

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    What an utterly crappy thread title.
     
  6. mc mark

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    Did you expect anything less?

    What a waste of human space.
     
  7. bigtexxx

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    I do not think Obama's weak record on supporting the military lends itself to a lot of confidence in him by the troops. So in other words, I don't think you can completely discount Obama's effect on the suicide issue.
     
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    Ok...first off.

    Correlation does not imply causality. This is how we can arrive at the logical conclusion that ice cream is not dangerous and police stations are beneficial despite the fact that increased ice cream sales are associated with a larger rape rate and that the building of new police stations is associated with high crime rates. I absolutely hate it when people try to pin down results and say "Factor X must be causal in some way to Variable Y!" Get it the hell right, unless you have a controlled experiment, nothing can be determined to be causal by even 1%.

    Second, your article...

    never suggests the correlational factor you're trying to bring up. Which means you implied it yourself. Which just gives us an internal glimpse into your mind I guess. I'll leave it to others and maybe to yourself to suggest how disturbing your internal wants are.

    Third, you used suicides (by Army soldiers, of all people) to try to score a political point. That's just...sad.
     
  9. DonnyMost

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    I was going to post this article for everyone here to have a rational discussion about why this is happening.

    I see that isn't going to happen now.

    The insinuations you've made here are beneath you texxx. You are pure, utter garbage.
     
  10. Eric Riley

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    First of all, thanks for adding your own opinion and spin to an objective news piece which doesn't even mention the words "President" or "Obama" AT ALL (go ahead, hit ctrl + F and do your own search). So again, thanks for doing that for us.

    Second, what kind of crappy inductive reasoning is that?

    Obama has a weak record of supporting the military.
    Therefore this lends to low confidence among troops.
    Therefore Obama is to blame for their suicides.

    Really now...
     
  11. fmullegun

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    Yeah it makes no sense to me either since 2008 is the lowest casualty rate ever.
    All previous years anti-war freaks tried to use the suicide rate as some point of proof that soldiers were unhappy, but they were always under the civilian rate.
     
  12. weslinder

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    Based on people that I know with PTSD from sieging Fallujah, the military should be making sure that all of those guys get prescription pot. I know that sounds like I'm making light of the situation, but I'm not. I have two friends that fought at Fallujah, both had flashbacks and bad dreams and other really bad psychological issues from it, and they both tried a bunch of different prescribed psychological drugs that didn't work. Both of them smoke pot now to help control it, and it works better than anything else.
     
  13. El_Conquistador

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    I feel sorry for the brave soldiers that have to serve under Obama's 'leadership'. It's just demeaning to them. He pimped them out in the early part of his campaign to score cheap political points -- talking about how they are failing, disgracing our country, etc. Just horrible. And the lunatic fringe libs ate it up and rewarded him for it in the primary...
     
  14. A_3PO

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    chickentexx, you are complete trash. This is bad even for someone like you. Beneath contempt.

    Just WOW!
     
  15. mc mark

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    So this begs the question.

    Will Texxx and Jorge follow in the footsteps of these brave Americans?

    Party before country!
     
  16. leroy

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    You have some serious mental issues that I believe you need to deal with quickly. It's quite obvious you're in a downward spiral. To honestly believe that the suicide rate rising among soldiers has to do with the new president is beyond a new low, even for you.

    I hope for your sake and the sake of those around you that you get some help. You need it.
     
  17. Deji McGever

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    bigtexxx,

    I almost always disagree with you, I try to remind myself that your life experience is probably radically different than my own. I do my best to hear you out and understand where you are coming from, and if I suppress my own prejudice, once in a while I concede you say something that brings some value to a discussion.

    This is not one of those moments.
     
  18. bigtexxx

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    People, let's actually think about this topic before we simply have another of your liberal pile-on festivals in this thread. Imagine if you got a new boss who did not value your contributions and who had been critical of your missions in recent years. Many people derive a sense of self-worth from job satisfaction and by how much their work is valued by their superiors - when you get a new leader like Obama, you have to question whether or not that is making an impact. It's a very valid question.
     
  19. pgabriel

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    its sickening that you politicize this subject and yet you're the one who claims to support the troops.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    An equally credible thread title could have been...

    "Even Though it's his last month in Office George Bush sees stunning spike in Army suicide rates."
     
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