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Should Amare and Diaw be banned for leaving the bench?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by NewYorker, May 15, 2007.

  1. NewYorker

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    The rule:

     
  2. NewYorker

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    You're not suppose to leave the bench during a FIGHT.

    There wasn't a fight. There's no rule about leaving the bench if a player get knocked down and you want to check on them.
     
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    It looked pretty clear Stoudemire wasn't going to check on Nash though. He took off his warmup and made a beeline in Bobby Horry's direction.
     
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    i think that if they are gonna get suspended, then that means horry is definetly gonna feel a LOT of heat. but since I hate the suns, im automatically inclined to argue that they get suspended.

    btw- does the flagarant 2 mean that horry is automatically suspended for game 5?
     
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    What's technically a fight? landing punches? They will be fined/suspended for sure.
     
  6. DollarBill

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    Yeah. they should get suspended. The reason is simple. the rule is the rule. if NBA doesnt' suspend 'em, what if the similiar problem happens again in the future, what's the league gonna do then? It's no unfair to the suns, but hey, Amare and Diaw should have known better.
     
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    Let me get this straight:

    Amarea and Diaw should be suspended for leaving the bench after a lame cheapshot by Horry to their best player, ignoring the fact that they retreated and did not enter the court or incite any physical confrontation?

    Meanwhile,

    Bowen shouldnt be suspended for kicking a dude in the achilles on a dunk attempt (his 5001 th "accidental" leg kick)

    and Horry's bodycheck to the ground isn't suspension worthy?

    Let's talk about Bowen/Horry being suspended. If Amare and Diaw are suspended, they should literally just crown the filthy, flopping, dirty Spurs NOW and end the suspense.
     
  8. AntiSonic

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    If Stoudemire and Diaw aren't suspended, just throw out the rulebook.

    Even stupid rules should be enforced. Change it in the offseason if you have to, but enforce it while its there. Sorry Stern!
     
  9. NewYorker

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    It's certainly not a hard foul.
     
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    He didn't make it past Nash - so there's no way to prove that he was going after Rob - and there wasn't anyone pushing anyone or anything like that until after Amare was off the bench.

    Finally, Amare did have to go to the scorers table to check in. That would explain why he was taking his warm-ups off - you're actually bringing up a point to support his claim.
     
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    Where was the "altercation" when Stoudemire got up?

    If they are going to follow the rule exactly, then they can't suspend them because there was no altercation when they got up. Nash was still on the ground.
     
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    Is this anywhere on youtube?
     
  13. NewYorker

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    Unless they define the foul as an "altercation" - but that would mean that you couldn't leave the bench afer any foul - even if you are checking in.
     
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    Even stupid rules should be enforced? Lol.

    You do realize that if Stoudemire, Diaw are suspended as is Horry that you are giving the exact same punishment to all 3 players even though:

    1) Player 1 bodychecks a player after the game's outcome is decided, THEN elbows Raja Bell in the face

    2) Players 2 and 3 leave the bench but DO NOT attack Horry, do not add to the altercation, and in fact retreat to the bench.

    If you think that all 3 players getting the same punishment in this outcome is fair and just, you need to realize that rules are originated with an intent and a purpose and that purpose and intent supersedes all.
     
  15. AntiSonic

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    Players 2 and 3 didn't make it to Horry because their coaches stopped them.
     
  16. NewYorker

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    But did they leave the bench area to check-in or check up on Nash? There was no altercation at the time they left the bench - by the letter of the rule, they didn't not violate it.
     
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    What happened?
     
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    And suppose they had?

    The larger point is that Horry started the brawl with the cheapshot. His punishment clearly needs to be more than the others.

    You don't treat a murder with the same level of punishment as a traffic ticket even though both are technically crimes.

    If Amare/Diaw are suspended for 1 game, Horry should be suspended for 10-20 because his crime was much, much worse and was the sole reason for the incident.

    Also, we dont know what Stoudemire was going to do or Diaw. Had Stoudemire punched Horry in response to what Nash did, I'd agree with you but either way he was stopped. If Amare wanted to get past his coach, he would have. He in fact was holding other Suns back once Ivahroni got him to retreat.

    I mean where does it stop. If a guy takes one foot onto the court after a brawl just to get a better view of how his teammate is doing, he should be suspended too because he technically violated the rule?
     
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    Horry happend.
     
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    Reminds me of a shot he gave Stockton in the meaningless last game of the season in 1995 at The Summit.
     

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