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Stealthy American Agricultural/Environmental Disaster

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ottomaton, Mar 16, 2007.

  1. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Member
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    I hadn't heard about this until I listened to a story on the BBC. This is odd, since it seems slightly more important than whether Britney Spears is wearing undergarments.

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    American bees are dropping like flies, victims of a mystery ailment that threatens to put a massive dent in the nation’s horticultural production.

    US commercial beekeepers from at least 22 states are reporting that bees have either mysteriously died or disappeared in huge numbers, with some beekeepers reporting a loss of between 30 and 70 percent of overall beehives. Experts are calling this mystery syndrome ‘colony collapse disorder’(CCD), in which bees leave their hives in droves, never to return.

    Since October 2006, 35 percent of the US population of the Western honey bee (apis mellifera) - billions of individual bees - simply flew from their hives and disappeared.

    Researchers are scrambling to make sense of the development, which is said to have a sizeable effect on the one third of US growers who rely on bees for pollination.

    Yet this is not the first time hives have mysteriously dwindled. As far back as 1896, hive declines going under names like 'fall dwindle' disease’, 'May dwindle', 'spring dwindle', 'disappearing disease', and 'autumn collapse', have all caused alarm, then dissipated. But ‘colony collapse disorder’ is by far the largest hurdle ever faced by US beekeepers.

    In hives hit by CCD, adult workers simply fly away and disappear, leaving a small cluster of workers and the hive's young to fend for themselves. Adding to the mystery, nearby predators such as the wax moth refrain from moving-in to pilfer honey and other hive contents.

    Some suspect that CCD may be due to the general immune-system stresses of the commutes that US bees are taken on by truck, in order to catch various pollination seasons.

    Others believe that new neonicotinoids, neuro-active pesticides, may be causing bees to lose their sense of direction, and simply be unable to return to the hive. Yet another hypothesis is that sick adult bees may be self-sacrificing: flying away to die in order to protect the hive from further infection.

    Still others suggest that bees may be contaminated with a toxin-producing fungus called Aspergillus, which affects the gut of the bee. There is a strong minority who blame intensive modern beekeeping methods: in nature, a bee colony lives only about five years. The honeycomb acts as a sort of ‘liver’ for the colony, filtering out toxins, then the hive flies away and the comb is replaced. Now, they suggest, the health of colonies is flagging as bees are forced to live on combs that are decades old.

    Whatever the cause, with $14 billion worth of agriculture at stake, the mysteries of the hive need to be unravelled, and fast.
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  2. updawg

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    it is an interesting story. Will be curious to know whats happening
     
  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Does this only affect the American bees? If the Africanized bees continue to spread, this problem might become less important (though the killer bee problem would only get worse).
     
  4. Lil Pun

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    Thought I would bump this thread as this situation continues to gain more and more coverage. I actually never realized how important honeybees are to are food supply as I have read multiple stories on this subject. Many scientists and experts are saying that if the phenomenon, known as colony collapse disorder or vanishing honeybee syndrome, continues then in 4-5 years many people could be on a simplistic diet of grains and water. It has been as subject on several television panels as well, I know I have seen Bill Mahr mention it on his show during the past 3 episodes. Although I have not seen coverage spread to stations like CNN, MSNBC, or FoxNews. This seems like a pretty important event happening yet I have not heard much said by the majors.

    So, how important do you think this event is? How do you think it will play out? What do you think is the cause or causes? Very interesting stuff, to me anyway. :)
     
  5. mc mark

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    [DISCLAIMER] I have no idea if it's true but one theory I’ve heard as to why the bees are dying off is microwaves from cell phones are jamming the bee's radar and they get confused and can't find their way back to the hives.

    Still it's pretty freaky.
     
  6. updawg

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    from what I've read, that seems to be more urban legend. Its usually accompnied by some quote by Einstein.
     
  7. Lil Pun

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    Actually it is the Einstein quote that is urban legend as no quote made by him about honeybees has been found. Radiation from cell phones and cell phone towers has been shown to have a negative effect on honey bees in some studies.
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    The bees will be back... We will just have a lousy crop year.
     
  9. Ottomaton

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    The problem with this theory is it doesn't explain the sudden nature (one year) of the die off. Its not like the number of cell phone towers has been increased 10x in the last year.
     
  10. Sishir Chang

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    One thing I've heard about it is that the bees that stay in a colony tend to be very weak and disease ridden so the argument that the honeycomb has gone bad and bees have been forced to deal with old honeycombs seem like it could be a cause.
     
  11. Lil Pun

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    I'm not saying that cell phones are the only reason for the decline but studies have shown the radiation from them does have its effects.
     
  12. pgabriel

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    The Einstein Quote maybe urban legend, but it goes along with the 4-5 year prediction about the food supply.
     
  13. Lil Pun

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    I'm sorry, but what exactly are you saying here? I am confused. Seems to be a lot of that in me lately. LOL! :D
     
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    I've been following this with relative interest, and lately more scientists think it's because of a fungus.
     
  15. Lil Pun

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    Like I said, I'm not stating cell phones are the major cause of this but they could be of some concern in the long run. I'm not sure. I believe they could be one of the many factors causing this decline along with fungus or some other type of disease and mites that actually feed on bees and other causes. The real concern is that nobody really knows right now.
     
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    http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece

    For the sake of data:

     
  17. Sishir Chang

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    No consistent link has been found between cell phone use and brain tumors. So while there might be evidence it is far from conclusize and this article seems fairly alarmist even while they qualify the languange. It seems to be saying there is a threat from cell phones to human health. We just can't prove it.
     
  18. Buck Turgidson

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    The parasites, wildlife and other bees that normally raid the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to go anywhere near the abandoned hives.

    Someone want to explain how cell phone radiation would cause this behavior? The fungus or similar biological causation seems like the most logical.
     
  19. MR. MEOWGI

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    Yeah, but they are both always buzzed. Get it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.
     
  20. olliez

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    This matter deserves much more media attention than the pet food recall, without the bees, US orchard will suffer serious blow.
     

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