Is this real? Does China really just shoot Pilgrims? http://www.protv.ro/filme/exclusive-footage-of-chinese-soldiers-shooting-at-tibetan-pilgrims.html
It's so sad - what China has done to Tibet and the Tibetian people is one of the truly horrific things in our modern world. It's genocide.
Yep, no oil in Tibet. China has had nukes for years, so a war would turn ugly. Now China is the U.S.'s largest trading partner, so I doubt anyone in Washington will ever do anything about Tibet.
No one will do anything....and in the meantime, Chinese posters on this BBS will claim they are "liberating Tibet". Where are they now to complain about shrine visits?
I am wondering why it hasn't hit major news agencies yet. If PLA soldiers are confirmed to shoot people randomly without warning, it's a terrible terrible thing to do. I wonder why. As far as I know, Chinese policemen do not carry weapons, so a shooting on own judgement is not norm. As for PLA soldiers, they do whatever they are ordered to, which also means they will only shoot if someone highup gives direct order. I am wondering why would PLA officials gave order to shoot Tibetan Pilgrims randomly, even as evil as commies are. I would like to see some confirmation on many parts of the story, for example whether the one lied down were Tibetans; those are indeed Pilgrims not some fugitives trying to escape China, or even CCP member fugitives; whether the ones fired shots are PLA soldiers. Couple of more questions poped into my head watching that clip. 1. No where in the video showed those were Tibetan Pilgrims. Besides, Pilgrims are supposed to visit shrines on a long difficult journey, that shrine is in Tibet, I would be very surprised to see Tibetan getting shot for visiting shrine in Tibet. If that really happens, I would expect an international outrage, and rightfully so. 2. The guys interviewed in the clip are so calm and relexed after they eye-witnessed some cold-blooded murders, if that's what happened as they implied. 3. Those tourists knew exactly those were Tibetan Pilgrims, and they were shot because they wanted to visit Dalai Lama, one kilometer away after seeing one guy lied down. 4. Not sure whether the guy sought hideout was indeed Tibetan, not to mention Pilgrim, whether he understands English, whether he was chased after because he wanted to see Dalai Lama. 5. The guy asked a funny question to draw lots of conclusions that Tibetans lost lives regularly for they wanted to see Dalai Lama. He asked whether the guy wanted to see Dalai, without making sure he even understands English. By the same token, if he asked whether he wanted some water, if he noded, we can conclude that PLA soldiers will kill people cold-bloodly simply because they want some water. But it's Tibet and China we are talking about. Criticle thinking is not required.
I guess real_egal wants to live in denial - here's some more evidence from Reuters AlertNet... Climbers watched as Chinese guards shot Tibetans http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/B542426.htm
US protests killing of Tibetan by Chinese soldiers http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Di...=October2006&file=World_News2006101635723.xml
LOL. Not sure whether you watched the clip and read the article you just linked. It's so much fun to ridicule "Chinese posters on this BBS", ironically from someone who believes one's background isn't important at all. It's so much fun to ridicule opposition against war criminal worship, ironically from someone who's offended by NOT enough Indian doctors were mentioned in "Simpsons". In the article there was no mentioning about Pilgrim, as opposed to the video clip comments. In the article there was mentioning of group of people escaping China and soldiers fired warning shots. In the article, there was mentioning of one person falling down, but Tibetan refugee groups, as well as the London-based International Campaign for Tibet, could claim from thousands of miles away that 2 person were dead. New Yorker, if you have some problem with me or other posters or Chinese people, that's fine. It's a free world. If you want to debate something, or at least pretend to, the least you could do is to address one or two points in previously mentioned 7, 8 points and questions, before you call someone living in denial. Until then, I would do as you advocated so hard in numerous threads, not to take you seriously.
thats the thinking anyway, that our 2 countries are so closely tied in trading that we couldn't possibly go to war with one another... but i don't think economics are strong enough to prevent another communist/democracy clash.
Again, instead of being shocked and dismayed for what happens, you try to imagine scenarios to explain why your godly Chinese gov't can do no wrong. Pathetic, and quite sick. How can you stand there with this evidence and not be upset about these killings? Why must you - just because you are Chinese, support the genocide of another people?
This thread is as ugly as I thought and it really hasn't even gotten started yet. Real_egal is a fairly measured poster, wait till some of the other folks on the pro-china side show up...
Strange then that we implemented sanctions after Tianamen Square. Not sure how to explain that in light of your 'observation.'
No doubt a monumental screw up, but we are not shooting innocent civilians. Will the Chinese here admit that Tibet is a terrible crime ? DD
Again, instead of debating reasonably, you resorted to call others "pathetic" and "sick", especially ironical from someone who whinned about "personal attacks" when his posts were commented as "illogical". What evidence are you talking about again? I asked whether any major news agencies reported this incident. I did a search on CNN.com, all I got was a Yahoo! news piece written by an AP writer, the first word on the title was "Purported". As far as I know, it's NOT reported on CNN, and it's NOT verified by any news agency. There are lots of doubt and unknowns behind the incident. In that Yahoo! article, it deliberately mentioned in one scene soldiers shot, but can't tell what and where he's aiming at; in another scene someone fell; in another scene soldiers stood beside a body; the article shows doubt without criticizing the source directly. The question is whether the shot showed in video are indeed warning shots as the original article claimed. Whether the person dead was shot by that shot and was dead in that time or totally irrelevant incident. The Chinese side story reported about attempted escaping and fleeing of country, despite the warning, attempted attack on soldiers. Is that 100% reliable? I don't think so, I need other confirmation from different angel. However, if there is any solid "evidence" as you claimed, do you think CNN will be quiet about it? Do you think Yahoo! would use the word "Purported"? To me, unless it's fugitives, average citizens, be it Han Chinese or Tibet Chinese, they should be let go if they want to go. Why stop any of them? However, to claim "shooting Tibetans indistingushingly like rabbits" is totally different than criticizing any policy. Instead of the least attempt to get the full picture, you jumped up and down as soon as you saw "Chinese" and "Tibet", and accused genocide, with full joy, and poked fun into Chinese posters and shrine visits. Sure you don't have anything against Chinese, you are just such a noble person who's against PC. To further correct your numerous errors in a short post: the current Chinese government didn't have my vote; no human could be considered "godly" to me, as I will not call my God's name in vain; as an ethnical Chinese, I don't support any genocide of any people; and as any version of history clearly stated, Chinese did not attempted any genocide on any people. Again, if you want to debate, get your facts straight. Finally, as an ethnical Chinese, I feel offended when I saw vicious attack on Chinese people as a whole, and accsation of genocide; I also feel offended if fellow Chinese were called "chinaman". Unlike some people, who is totally ok when people from his ethnical group was called a monkey.
Climber's shock at Tibet killing By Charles Haviland BBC News, Kathmandu A British climber has related how he saw Chinese border guards shooting dead a Tibetan refugee in a group trying to flee to Nepal 11 days ago. Policeman Steve Marsh told the BBC he was resting at a camp on the Tibetan side of the Himalayan peak of Cho-Oyu. He spoke of his shock at the incident, which he said scores of other mountaineers also witnessed. Tibet welfare groups say the Tibetan who died was a young nun, and add that a boy might also have been killed. Mr Marsh, from Bristol, was speaking in the Nepalese capital, Kathmandu. He said his party saw two or three Chinese soldiers hurrying towards a column of about 25 people on a glacier, clearly Tibetans trying to escape over a high pass into Nepal. Mr Marsh said the Chinese fired twice but the group continued. There was a third shot, the last in the group fell but was helped to move on a few yards, then there was a fourth shot which left the person dead in the snow. Police only removed the body the next day. Soon after the shooting, a group of young children were marched through Mr Marsh's camp by Chinese soldiers. Their fate is unknown. Tibetan welfare organisations say they had been taken from the escaping group, more of whom moved on to Kathmandu, where the UN refugee agency has questioned them. Hundreds of Tibetans flee to Nepal every year but for years now Kathmandu, keen not to alienate Beijing, has passed new refugees onto India, where Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, is based. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6041870.stm
I am wondering why didn't you use my complete words: I did a search on CNN.com, all I got was a Yahoo! news piece written by an AP writer, the first word on the title was "Purported". As far as I know, it's NOT reported on CNN, and it's NOT verified by any news agency. There are lots of doubt and unknowns behind the incident. Besides, it's still NOT reported on CNN, NOT verified by any new agency (including BBC, who reported the story based on the same source). Therefore, it's called "Purported" video. It still pazzles me greatly, why are they shooting at someone fleeing the country now, if that group is just the same as those hundreds every year as the article claimed. Why did those soldiers let thousands go in all those years, and all of a sudden started to shoot at them. My sense is, there is more to the story, therefore the silence in major news agencies in US. Of course, that's just my opinion.
You guys are really late. This has hit Cinese BBS a couple days ago. It is as least regretable that someone died. It's as least as regretable as something who's shot by police because he did not stop when asked to stop. Official Chinese news release said that incident is "still under investigation". Some observation points here: Border guards tried to stop the group, maybe for a search. Warning shots were said to be heard. some more backgroud information: Chinese laws are different from US law in "unlawful trancrossing the border". You have to follow proper precedure and subject to search when crossing the border. No further comment from me without further details. And I won't go into a "debate" with someone with known biases/incohesive debating style.
