A Boston Trade Thought

[thumbs]

Since I do not have faith that Rudy Gay will fall to us at #8 and I think Brandon Roy will be an okay but not great player, I am sitting here wondering whether a trade with Boston might be worthwhile.

For Gerald Green we send Boston our #8 pick and enough trade exeption to cover his incoming salary. In Green we would have a young 6-8, skilled SG who can move over to spell McGrady at SF. In this year's draft he would easily be a top five choice.

Boston, on the other hand, would have the #7 and #8 picks to move up to acquire Adam Morrison -- more than likely they would keep one pick and add another young player or future draft choice to make the deal, but that is their business.

If we pick up Mike James with the MLE, then we could make the Swift/Alston sign and trade for Al Harrington as proposed in another thread. Or, we could send Swift to the Nets or Hornets for picks and players. Or, we could stand pat with Swift and hope that JVG can insert the system key into Swift's brain to turn on his motor.

My point is that we get the type of player we crave and the flexibility to fix other needs.

[m_cable]

I'd do it. I'm very high on Green. He's skilled, can drive, pull-up, shoot from long as well as mid-range, jump out of the gym. I really like Gay's NBA body, and the potential matchups at both forward spots for him. And Roy is just so polished that I'm almost certain he'll be a solid player in this league. But Green is on the same level or maybe even better in my book. I would do backflips to get any one of these guys.

I doubt the Celtics would be looking to move up for Morrison though. They've got Wally and Pierce at those spots (even before taking Green into consideration). But I could imagine them getting our pick so that they can grab a polished PG in Marcus Williams, along with the best center prospect Patrick O'Bryant. That would make a ton of sense and fill out their lineup nicely.

[waran007]

I doubt the Celtics would do it. They really like Green, and gave him a ton of minutes near the end of the season. He performed well, and they see him as one of their future cornerstones, along with Al Jefferson (who struggled this year).

Unless Danny Ainge is obsessed with getting a white guy who they can label the next Larry Legend, they're far better of keeping the #7 pick and getting a guy like Marcus Williams, as has been said.

Gerald Green+Marcus Williams is better for that club than just Adam Morrison.

Besides, as has been mentioned, the closest player in similarity to Morrison in the NBA today plays for the Celtics already (Wally Sczerbiak).

[Sooner423]

What do you guys think about a Howard for Lafrentz swap? They both have horrendous contracts. I feel Lafrentz has more in the tank and he can shoot from the outside like JVG likes. He can also block some shots and rebound, unlike Howard.

[No Worries]

For Gerald Green we send Boston our #8 pick and enough trade exeption to cover his incoming salary.

Why would the Celts trade Gerald Green? Has he already worn out his welcome?

I could see the Celts wanting to trade Kendrick Perkins or maybe even Al Jefferson, since both's upsides have fallen. The trade would not be a salary dump though; they would want to receive value in the trade, moreso than a #8 pick in a weak draft and a trade exception.

[jopatmc]

Originally Posted by Sooner423 What do you guys think about a Howard for Lafrentz swap? They both have horrendous contracts. I feel Lafrentz has more in the tank and he can shoot from the outside like JVG likes. He can also block some shots and rebound, unlike Howard.

Yep, yep, yep. Do it, do it, do it. Raef would fit here like a glove. Despite his injuries he is much more athletic than Juwan. 3 point shooting, and shot blocking defensive presence. Raef would spread the floor much more than Juwan and he's a better shooter and much better defender. I don't think his relationship with Boston is that hot right now. Plus Morey is from Boston, isn't he?

[Honey Bear]

Originally Posted by m_cable I'm very high on Green.

Unfortunately, Green isn't going anywhere. He's shown enough potential in his short stay in Boston to be considered a more valuable asset than Gomes or Harrington. He isn't ready to have consistent rotation minutes on an NBA playoff roster though, so I doubt Dawson would even consider him.

Right now there's a greater chance of Pierce being traded after the phenomenal season he had than Ainge disrupting the youth movement. If Roy and Gay are gone by the time we pick, I would consider trading #8 for Delonte West and Tony Allen. That's perimeter defense for you right there, as well as two underrated shooters.

James White's stock will shoot up after the combines, but he could still be there for our 2nd round pick. Would be a better immediate fit for this team than Gerald Greene.

[Sooner423]

Originally Posted by jopatmc Yep, yep, yep. Do it, do it, do it. Raef would fit here like a glove. Despite his injuries he is much more athletic than Juwan. 3 point shooting, and shot blocking defensive presence. Raef would spread the floor much more than Juwan and he's a better shooter and much better defender. I don't think his relationship with Boston is that hot right now. Plus Morey is from Boston, isn't he?

Do you think it's a realistic scenario? Is that enough to pull Lafrentz away from them?

There's a difference of about 4 mill in contracts. Who do you throw in? Stro, Rafer, maybe Mutombo and Bowen?

[jopatmc]

Originally Posted by Sooner423 Do you think it's a realistic scenario? Is that enough to pull Lafrentz away from them? There's a difference of about 4 mill in contracts. Who do you throw in? Stro, Rafer, maybe Mutombo and Bowen?

They're looking for a point aren't they? Or we could S&T Wesley along with Juwan. Or.....it kinda depends on Sura. If Sura can come back, he makes Rafer more expendable. There has been rumblings that they are wanting to move Dickau. So, how about a Dickau and Raef for Rafer and Howard deal with us swapping the 7 and 8 picks?

As long as we get MJ with the MLE or through trade and we've got Sura coming back, we've got our PG. But, I don't think Van Gundy will consider getting rid of Rafer. So, the more realistic deal is to sing Wesley to a 2 year deal and send him up there with Juwan. Or send them Rybo and whatever. Boston should do the deal to get rid of Raef's deal.

[thumbs]

Originally Posted by m_cable I doubt the Celtics would be looking to move up for Morrison though. They've got Wally and Pierce at those spots (even before taking Green into consideration). But I could imagine them getting our pick so that they can grab a polished PG in Marcus Williams, along with the best center prospect Patrick O'Bryant. That would make a ton of sense and fill out their lineup nicely.

The Boston fans (message board-wise) seem very hot for Morrison. If they slide Wally World to SG (his natural position) and use Morrison at SF, they can trade Paul Pierce to fill their other needs. Drafting Morrison makes Green expendable and allows them to draft Patrick O'Bryant as well. Anyway, I thought I'd toss in my dream as long as we are all dreamcasting.

As far as the Raef trade, once upon a time I would have considered him an asset. However, he is now too injury-riddled and injury-prone to be suitable. We can do better just by keeping Swift.

[thumbs]

Duh! As I hit the send key, I thought about acquiring Paul Pierce for our #8 + .....what? I can't think of any players they want that we would give up. Okay, thumbs, you haven't had your nap yet.

[NIKEstrad]

Originally Posted by jopatmc As long as we get MJ with the MLE or through trade and we've got Sura coming back, we've got our PG.

Van Gundy has said he wants 3 PGs. And I don't think he's counting on a very brittle Sura as one of them. And if Mike James leaves you at the alter after you've traded Rafer...yikes.

thumbs - I wouldn't call Wally a natural SG. And Wally/Morrison on the wings would be by far the slowest perimeter rotation in the league.

If Sura's done, I could see a Howard/Sura (as cap filler) for Raef deal. The problem is, Boston is low on guys who can play the 5 - the only other guy they have who can play center would be Perkins.

One of the best things that could come out of these playoffs is a renewed market for Swift. If this smaller/quicker Phoenix-Dallas trend holds, he becomes a prospective center prospect.

[thetennisyao]

i would do this trade if boston does it. Green is very athletic, i think boston needs a good center.

[ROXTXIA]

Actually a pretty good idea.

Someone here proposes the #8 for Gerald Green.

Someone else proposes Juwan for Raef.

I remember once proposing that we get both players, Raef because he can play 4 and 5 and get us that outside shooter, and Gerald Green because he can learn from Tracy and be ready for superstar status in a few years.

Did someone mention Green's a native Houstonian? I'm too lazy to scroll down the thread or look it up. Certainly CD wanted to trade up for him last year.

Boston needs to choose whether to win now or completely rebuild. None of their young draft picks are really ready for prime time. They could do a lot with #7 and #8, whether it's rebuild or simply fill gaps on the roster. Boston could dump about 4 million in salary (we have that trade exception); Juwan and Doc Rivers could face each other holding each other's hands with fingers interlaced, singing into one another's eyes, "Reunited/'Cause it feels so good/Reunited/'Cause we understood..."

Then we could even trade Stro, because we wouldn't have to worry about backup center. Stro and to the Nets for Padgett and the #22 and #23? Etc.

[jopatmc]

Originally Posted by thumbs The Boston fans (message board-wise) seem very hot for Morrison. If they slide Wally World to SG (his natural position) and use Morrison at SF, they can trade Paul Pierce to fill their other needs. Drafting Morrison makes Green expendable and allows them to draft Patrick O'Bryant as well. Anyway, I thought I'd toss in my dream as long as we are all dreamcasting. As far as the Raef trade, once upon a time I would have considered him an asset. However, he is now too injury-riddled and injury-prone to be suitable. We can do better just by keeping Swift.

I'm talking about Juwan for Raef, not SS for Raef. Yeah, Raef has his negatives but what could we possibly get for Juwan that would be better? They've got to figure out some way to move him.

[Honey Bear]

Originally Posted by NIKEstrad The problem is, Boston is low on guys who can play the 5 - the only other guy they have who can play center would be Perkins.

Jefferson logged quite a few minutes at the 5 after Blount was traded. Plus they have bird rights on Olowakandi, who no one will offer proper money to this offseason.

[thumbs]

Originally Posted by ROXTXIA ......Did someone mention Green's a native Houstonian? I'm too lazy to scroll down the thread or look it up.....

Gerald Green is from Houston and C.J. Miles is from Dallas. Unfortunately, Miles doesn't have the possibilities Green has. However, I will be upset if either is traded to a team other than Houston.

[JayZ750]

You can see Gerald's game log .

He was given more minutes and a chance to perform in April. He responded pretty decently for a high school rookie.

He averaged 12.7 ppg on 48% shooting, 2.3 rpg, 1.5 apg in 25.7 mpg.

He obviously has a lot to work on but such high potential. Boston's question with him is probably the same as Houston's would be - when will he be ready to be a solid, consistent contributor on a playoff team?

[The_Yoyo]

you want my dream scenario?

#8+swift+#32+next years #1 for paul pierce + 2nd rounder (i dont know if that will work under the cap) hopefully it will

sign mike james for the MLE

sign padgett for league minimum

i am not sure kelvin cato's status if he will be waived or kept rumor was that he was going to be waived.

if he is waived sign him for LLE (if we have one) or vet minimum

keep in mind its a dream scenario i doubt any of this will happen

so then:
Yao/deke/cato
Howard/padge/cato
T-mac/bogans/bowen
Pierce/Head/sura
Alston/James/sura

even though cato cant catch worth a nickel his rebounding and shot blocking will be a bonus off the bench and he occasionally can score 6-8 points but his rebounds and blocks are consistent which is more than what can be said of swift. padge will help spread the floor better he needs to work on the entry pass a la horry to free himself and yao up. Pierce is proven i highly doubt that can happen unless ainge is desperate to start from scratch with his youth movement. but Pierce is a proven scorer and can get to the line at will. It would be awesome to have him alongside yao and tracy it would greatly relieve the burden on those two to create and score the majority of the points. James off the bench is instant firepower. Head i think can become a solid bench 2 guard he needs to utilize his quickness and athleticism and penetrate more. sura if healthy will be pure gravy really at this point i am making him a non-factor.

sigh its going to be a long long long long offsesaon if i am already made up this scenarios.

[Honey Bear]

You can't just put a player like Paul Pierce on this team and ask him to figure it out in regards to McGrady and Yao. It looks good on NBA Live but in reality I don't see a Paul Pierce type player co-existing with TMac and Yao, who will alwas be #1 and #2 (interchangeable). This isn't an off the ball Marion or Hamilton type player, he needs to dominate the ball in order to be effective. He showed a tremendous growth in his game last season and finally was able to incorporate his half court game into a relatively free flowing offense. But asking him to "work himself in" with two other superstars? He isn't going to give a damn when he is the 3rd option.

If we are going to trade for Pierce, we would want to send TMac to Boston. Pierce, West and Jefferson for McGrady. I wouldn't do it, but it's what you would have to do to get the most out of Pierce.