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Marquis Daniels?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TECH, May 24, 2006.

  1. TECH

    TECH Member

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    Just out of curiosity, what's the deal with M. Daniels? He doesn't seem to play much, but it appears that he's a decent, young player. I guess J. Howard is just a better version, so he gets the minutes at Dallas.
    Admittedly, I haven't followed the Mavs until this year's playoffs, but is there any possiblity of getting him? He could play the 2, backup 1 and 3, if need be.

    Nuts? Pipe? Don't post again? .......ok. :eek: :D
     
  2. jopatmc

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    His nickname is 'No D Daniels'. He played as a rookie more than Howard did. Now, since AJ has come along and emphasized the defensive side, he is riding pine. We don't want a guy that can't get off Dallas' bench because he doesn't D up.
     
  3. Diaw

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    hi
    i think he's a good player, but as you said, howard is a kind of marquis daniels 2.0 lol
    and i dont remember him hitting long or mid range shots, he's a slasher if i remember well ... no ? that said, he's young and athletic, so if we dont loose too much in the deal, why not :)
     
  4. m_cable

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    Why would Dallas even think of helping us get better.
     
  5. TECH

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    What's his contract like? When's he a free agent?
     
  6. durvasa

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    He's a very good ball-handler -- he could probably play the 1, 2, or 3. Not sure how bad his defense really has been for the Mavs. According to 82games, his opponent PER is very low (which is good). Also, during the regular season, Mavs defense gave up fewer points per possession with him on the court versus off the court. Those are typically indicators of a good defensive player.

    The biggest deficiency in his game is that he's a poor spot up jumper shooter. He's better shooting off the dribble (midrange), and he's very good as the ball handler in pick and roll situations. He's a good slasher and can finish well around the basket.
     
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  7. DaDakota

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    He would be great on the Rockets, but no way Cuban let's him go.

    DD
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Which is ironic insofar as Dallas defense is still nothing special and is probably slightly worse than it was last year.
     
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    Why not? It's not like we have bench talent to spare. Not to mention, almost none of the Rockets are notable defensive players; we have good D from the defensive scheme and focus.
     
  10. thetennisyao

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    i think he has like a MLE contract.
     
  11. Chronz

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    We couldve drafted him, and he is actually a good player but hes in a deep team. Stack, Howard, Griffin, Terry, Devin, and Keith all spend time at the 1,2, or the 3 and are all worthy of minutes so its kinda hard to see any PT.

    But despite all of those cirumstances he managed to avg 9.9 ppg I believe. If we could snag him that be great but I have a feeling they plan on keeping him for a long time especially when Keith and Stack are gone.
     
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    Daniels can't shoot the 3. Not what we need.
     
  13. A_3PO

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    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Daniels was drafted in the 2nd round and given a one year contract. After a very suprising rookie year, and the departure of Mr. Nash, the Mavs panicked and signed him to a $30MM+ multi-year contract and he hasn't lived up to it. He has not improved at all from his rookie year. I look for him to step it up in a couple of seasons right before his contract expires.

    Forget him.
     
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    .....still better than anything under Nelson though.

    I highly doubt there's chance of us acquiring him. Dallas isn't going to do us and favors and is light years away from getting under the salary cap, which pretty much rules out any logic behind dealing him for one our of trade exceptions.

    I'm sure they would do a Swift for Daniels swap but that doesn't really benefit us much. Howard for Daniels works and although there's little reason for Dallas to make the deal I would still be all for that.
     
  15. rwienert

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    he was undrafted.
     
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    he doesn't play much because he sux so bad.. he destroys the team when he plays..I think Dallas made WC finals this year because they didn't play him.. :eek: .. the dude has some individual skills, but no team skills at all, too many turnovers.. CANT SHOOT.... so SAY NO TO DANIELS..
     
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    Remember when he was a "young T-Mac"? LOL

    Who in the world said that?
     
  18. SamFisher

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    Is it really? Let's check. One of the great myths which will probably continue to be propagated this year is that the Mavs got serious about defense

    It appears that they did if we just look at points allowed (stats courtesy of 82games.com):

    Dallas Mavericks

    Points Allowed
    05-06 (avery) 93.1
    04-05 (avery/don) 96.8
    03-04 (don) 100.1
    02-03 (don) 95.2

    So it looks like the Mavs had their best defensive season in a while...right?

    But looking at other (and IMO, more accurate) measures, things get more complicated. Obviously, Points per 100 possessions is a better measure of efficiency (how good you are at stopping the other team on a given possession) than points allowed because it removes the # of possessions as a factor. Just cause you slow it down and play in low scoring games doesn't mean you can defend.


    points allowed/100 possessions effective FG%

    05-06 105 .476
    04-05 104 .438
    03-04 108 .499
    02-03 104 .438

    So looking at this measure, the Mavs are definitely worse than they were on defense, efficiency wise, than they were last year (a "half nelson" year). In other words, teams have been more likely to score on them in a given play (and shooting better too) despite the Avery emphasis on D (and the removal of "no D Marquis).

    They are defintely better than they were in the last Full Nelson year (03-04) (they happened to lose a notoriously weak defender after this year who is currently MVP...hmmmm) But they're definitely worse than they were under Nelson in the year before that.

    So Avery has definitely slowed the Mavericks down - but he doesn't seem to have made them better defenders. So I don't think it's fair to say (and I didn't know this when I started typing it but suspected it) that they're better than anything they did under Nelson. They're not as bad as certain years, but certainly not as good as others.

    If I had to guess, I would say the rule changes have allowed them to achieve success a lot more than any defensive prowess.
     
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  19. TECH

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    There sure wasn't much Defense in game 1 vs Phoenix.
     
  20. jopatmc

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    You can say that again. I'm sorry but Van Gundy is not going to let guys run up and down the floor and without checking anyone. The game was entertaining to a casual fan but to serious basketball people, you've got to see the gigantic defensive deficiencies that they are exploiting.

    The way to beat Phoenix is to slow the tempo down, pound the ball to Yao ad nausem, not take a bunch of long range jumpers, but collapse their defense and take it to the rack every time. Then on the defensive end, you cover everybody and force Nash to be their primary scorer.
     

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