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SirCharlesFan is offline Old 06-16-2001, 12:43 AM   #1
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Oh my god...Rudy T was actually on the "Greatest Coach Since Auerbach" poll on ESPN Sportscenter...

too bad he got dead last place with only 3.8 percent of the vote.

Phil won with like 51.8%.

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bigboymumu is offline Old 06-16-2001, 12:44 AM   #2
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Rudy gets my vote. Was Don Chaney one of the choices?

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WhiteMagic02 is offline Old 06-16-2001, 02:31 AM   #3
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Who were the others??

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Greg#3 is offline Old 06-17-2001, 12:38 PM   #4
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Chuck Daly, Pat Riley, Lenny Wilkens, Phil Jackson, Rudy T., and possibly Larry Brown

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Most overrated coach?

Survey says...Pat Riley.

His answer to every problem is another 3 hour workout.

Lose the Grecian Formula and the hair glue, Pat. It is soooo uncool.

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Gee, I wonder if Rudy could have coached the Jordan-led Bulls or the Shaq-Kobe Fakers team? Does anybody know if Jackass can build his own team from the ground up? Easily the most overated coach ever.

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Definitely agree with you on this one Bob.

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I remember on NBC they were discussing the differences between Larry Brown and Phil Jackson and they brought up a quote from Jackson himself saying that he's a closer, like in baseball.

That comment made me think more about where Jackson should rank amongst other coaches in the league. In baseball it's possible for a closer to be 1 of the best pitchers in the game, but hardly ever is a closer considered THE best pitcher.

I think Phil Jackson's one of the best closers in coaching, he's been able to help push 2 teams over the hump and win multiple championships. He's not the best coach though, I think Larry Brown and Rudy T are the best coaches in the league.

Pat Riley and Phil Jackson are on the next level. I would have included Riley with Brown and Rudy, but after that choke job his team had this year I can't include him with the top 2.

That's my take, Phil Jackson is a great coach, but not the best coach because he's just a closer, in his own words...

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Band.. I agree.


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I think Don Nelson belongs somewhere in there too. I like the way he's always trying something new & innovative. Sure sometimes it doesn't work, but at least he's taking new approaches to the game.

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Bill Fitch has always called himself a "builder, not a maintainer."

He was responsible for helping the Celtics and Rockets back to the Finals.

Didn't get much done in LA, but with the their owner there is not much anyone can do.

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I think it depends on what you want.

If you just care about strategy... it's going to be Larry Brown, Pat Riley, Jerry Sloan, and Don Nelson.

If you want a great people person, you might want Rudy, Phil Jackson, or maybe even Doc Rivers (too early to tell).

Different guys are right for different teams. I don't think you can say "once size fits al." Good thought, though, BGM... but then, Eckersley did win the Cy Young, right?

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Jerry36 is offline Old 06-18-2001, 08:52 PM   #13
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I'm a Rocket fan, but you people are pathetic to think Rudy is better coach than Phil. There is no way the Lakers will be playing the way they are now with Rudy coaching. The zen master has a way to get into players head to make them play at a higher level consistently. His players are better prepared for games and he makes adjustments better than any coach in the league. Rudy's teams are always playing on a up and down level. They only play if the game is a measuring stick, after that they go right back down to comfort zone. What's Rudy response to that "I guess it's Human Nature" This is one of the reasons why Rudy coached teams will never be able to dominate the league even if they had a championship team. Everybody always talking about Phil took over a good team. Look at Portland, that's a dream team over there and look what happen. Give the man credit, Phil is a great coach, Rudy is not.

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Originally posted by BobFinn*:
Gee, I wonder if Rudy could have coached the Jordan-led Bulls or the Shaq-Kobe Fakers team? Does anybody know if Jackass can build his own team from the ground up? Easily the most overated coach ever.


Yeah , no doubt. Phil Jackson doesnt know what team loyalty is. I could have coached the Bulls. Here is my playbook

Play 1 : Give the ball to MJ

Play 2 : See Play 1

Playbook for the Lakers. Replace MJ with Shaq. Throw in a little Kobe for flavor. Thats how you get 8 rings...


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Sonny is offline Old 06-18-2001, 10:42 PM   #15
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I'm a Rocket fan, but you people are pathetic to think Rudy is better coach than Phil. There is no way the Lakers will be playing the way they are now with Rudy coaching. The zen master has a way to get into players head to make them play at a higher level consistently. His players are better prepared for games and he makes adjustments better than any coach in the league. Rudy's teams are always playing on a up and down level. They only play if the game is a measuring stick, after that they go right back down to comfort zone. What's Rudy response to that "I guess it's Human Nature" This is one of the reasons why Rudy coached teams will never be able to dominate the league even if they had a championship team. Everybody always talking about Phil took over a good team. Look at Portland, that's a dream team over there and look what happen. Give the man credit, Phil is a great coach, Rudy is not.


Phil is good at coaching great players and wearing nice suits. Who couldnt coach a great player? Give him the ball... Phil is a great coach. No Doubt. But a coach is more than a guy who moves team to team when they are drained...

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Quote:
Originally posted by Jerry36:
I'm a Rocket fan, but you people are pathetic to think Rudy is better coach than Phil. There is no way the Lakers will be playing the way they are now with Rudy coaching. The zen master has a way to get into players head to make them play at a higher level consistently. His players are better prepared for games and he makes adjustments better than any coach in the league. Rudy's teams are always playing on a up and down level. They only play if the game is a measuring stick, after that they go right back down to comfort zone. What's Rudy response to that "I guess it's Human Nature" This is one of the reasons why Rudy coached teams will never be able to dominate the league even if they had a championship team. Everybody always talking about Phil took over a good team. Look at Portland, that's a dream team over there and look what happen. Give the man credit, Phil is a great coach, Rudy is not.

it helps a big deal when the players you got are certifiable All-Stars in their prime and possibly the greatest in MJ and most dominant today in SHaq.

Rudy T. might not have the kudos that PJ has but what he did in 94 and 95 is a testament to his own unique way of doing things. Might not be the prettiest but hell it got RESULTS all over it.

Yes PJ is a great coach the greatest coach in terms of timing his departure to coincide with a vacant position at LA. In fact you won't get arguments from me. If he was real man he'd stay at Chicago and see what he can do.

Rudy if he wanted to could have coached LA. But it is a tremendous measure of the man that he stayed to rebuild the Rocks. Which by the way is ahead of schedule.

SO don't come here a "supposed fan", knocking Rudy T. when he could have done a PJ and left the Rockets for dead.

Rudy T. is a great coach.

BTW you wouldn't be related to PJ would you?



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Quote:
Originally posted by Wink3Cat5:
Play 1 : Give the ball to MJ

Play 2 : See Play 1
Actually that playbook failed for several years.

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Not Chaney is offline Old 06-19-2001, 01:47 AM   #18
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Don Chaney is a former NBA coach of the year.

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so is Bill Fitch...lol
 
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How could anyone dispute that Rudy's not a great coach?

I guess Dream's not a great center while kareem "the one trick pony" is.

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