Adam Everett statistical oddity

bobrek · 04-20-2006, 09:21 AM

Shades of Craig Reynolds. Currently Everett's OBP (.315) is less than his batting average (.321). That's not easy to do.

MadMax · 04-20-2006, 09:21 AM

and i bought an Adam Everett player t-shirt the other night at the game. so there.

studogg · 04-20-2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bobrek

Shades of Craig Reynolds. Currently Everett's OBP (.315) is less than his batting average (.321). That's not easy to do.

I noticed that earlier. Leads me to the conclusion that once his hot streak ends, he'll be giving it to us in the poop shoot offensively.

But damn he's a great fielder.

geeimsobored · 04-20-2006, 09:27 AM

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Shades of Craig Reynolds. Currently Everett's OBP (.315) is less than his batting average (.321). That's not easy to do.

how do you pull that off?

bobrek · 04-20-2006, 09:30 AM

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and i bought an Adam Everett player t-shirt the other night at the game. so there.

Personally, I think Everett has been the most underrated and unfairly maligned player on the team the past few years. His defense is so great, game in and game out, that he is taken for granted. He gets to everything and his occasional error tends to be the throw that gets away from him.

One other note. Berkman's first base defense has been outstanding so far this year.

bobrek · 04-20-2006, 09:31 AM

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how do you pull that off?

More sacrifices than walks+HBP.

kaleidosky · 04-20-2006, 09:35 AM

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One other note. Berkman's first base defense has been outstanding so far this year.

Not to go too far from the thread topic, but I agree and disagree here. He's been average I think for the most part. Sometimes he's making plays look better than they should because he's falling trying to get to balls or he's a little slow getting over in the hole. One or 2 times he's had situations where it's showed that he's slightly out of practice compared to someone who's been playing the position day-in-and-out for the last 4 years. I think those things will improve, but they're not there yet imo.

Jugdish · 04-20-2006, 10:15 AM

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More sacrifices than walks+HBP.

I still don't understand. He has no walks, and I assume he has no HBPs, so his OBP should be the same as his batting average, I would have thought. How exactly do sacrifices come into play?

bobrek · 04-20-2006, 10:28 AM

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I still don't understand. He has no walks, and I assume he has no HBPs, so his OBP should be the same as his batting average, I would have thought. How exactly do sacrifices come into play?

On base percentage is a reflection of how often you get on base without making an out and is based on total plate appearances.

Assume you have come to the plate 10 times. In those 10 appearances you have 3 hits, 1 walk and 6 Ks. Your average is .333 (3 hits/9 "official" plate appearances). Your OBP is .400 (4 times on base/10 "total" plate appearances).

Using the same example, except instead of a walk, you hit a sacrifice fly. Your average remains at .333 since the SF does not count as an "official" at bat, however the SF is factored into "total" plate appearances so your OBP is .300 (3 hits/10 total plate appearances).

ArtV · 04-20-2006, 10:29 AM

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More sacrifices than walks+HBP.

Sac flys count as a hit?

KaiSeR SoZe · 04-20-2006, 10:31 AM

baseball has WAY too many stats

Jugdish · 04-20-2006, 10:32 AM

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Using the same example, except instead of a walk, you hit a sacrifice fly. Your average remains at .333 since the SF does not count as an "official" at bat, however the SF is factored into "total" plate appearances so your OBP is .300 (3 hits/10 total plate appearances).

Thanks. I forgot sacrifices didn't count as ABs.

What an oddity!

bobrek · 04-20-2006, 10:34 AM

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Sac flys count as a hit?

Nope. Sacrifices are NOT figured into "official" plate appearances so they are NOT counted negatively towards a batting average. Sacrifices ARE figured into total plate appearances so they ARE counted negatively towards on-base percentage.

Jugdish · 04-20-2006, 10:56 AM

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baseball has WAY too many stats

I guess asking if you subscribe to Baseball Prospectus is a stupid question then.

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Nope. Sacrifices are NOT figured into "official" plate appearances so they are NOT counted negatively towards a batting average. Sacrifices ARE figured into total plate appearances so they ARE counted negatively towards on-base percentage.

Replace the first "plate appearances" with "at-bats" before everyone's head explodes!

Raven Lunatic · 04-20-2006, 11:42 AM

Not to derail the thread, but I don't see how anyone could seriously think that Berkman's defense has been just average so far this season. His range to his right side is ridiculous, partly due to being left handed, I'm sure, but also because he is really spry on his feet for a guy his size (although he does seem much more trim this year than in seasons past). Berkman's excellent range to his right and Everett's ridiculous range up the middle greatly help compensate for what range Biggio has lost in his advancing years.

kaleidosky · 04-20-2006, 11:48 AM

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Not to derail the thread, but I don't see how anyone could seriously think that Berkman's defense has been just average so far this season. His range to his right side is ridiculous, partly due to being left handed, I'm sure, but also because he is really spry on his feet for a guy his size (although he does seem much more trim this year than in seasons past). Berkman's excellent range to his right and Everett's ridiculous range up the middle greatly help compensate for what range Biggio has lost in his advancing years.

Maybe I'm just comparing to Bagwell's good years when I think of people saying how great he's been.. but I feel like he's just had a few too many times where I feel like he should've already been in position rather than falling/diving for the ball. And a few too many times where he should've come up with the play but didn't.. just my opinion. I think he'll be fine (and above average) by the midway point of this year, but I don't think he's there yeti s all.

rocketfat · 04-20-2006, 12:19 PM

let me add one more player's defense to the mix....one morgan ensberg. the guy absolutely blossomed defensively the 2nd half of last season. he's made a few errors this season, but in my opinion has turned into an elite fielding 3rd baseman.

Tb-Cain · 04-20-2006, 12:19 PM

Bottom line - he needs to find a way to get hit more often. :D

ArtV · 04-20-2006, 12:46 PM

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Nope. Sacrifices are NOT figured into "official" plate appearances so they are NOT counted negatively towards a batting average. Sacrifices ARE figured into total plate appearances so they ARE counted negatively towards on-base percentage.

Thanks - now I understand.

bobrek · 04-20-2006, 01:11 PM

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let me add one more player's defense to the mix....one morgan ensberg. the guy absolutely blossomed defensively the 2nd half of last season. he's made a few errors this season, but in my opinion has turned into an elite fielding 3rd baseman.

Ensberg is fine with the glove, but he has problems with his throws. He already has 5 errors and they seem to all be on throws.