SOTU 2006

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Just 25% want Bush directing national policy

From today's Wall Street Journal (Subscription required)...

President Bush delivers tonight's State of the Union to a voting public more willing to give an unpopular congress control of the nation's policies than him, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll.

A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows health care at the top of Americans' priority list, with 76% calling increased access and lower costs "an absolute priority" for 2006. Two-thirds say it is time to reduce troop levels in Iraq, while just 28% support maintaining existing troop levels.

Yet Mr. Bush's lower personal ratings since the start of his second term suggest he will have a hard time controlling the debate in the face of opposition from congressional Democrats and some Republicans seeking an independent course.

Asked who should take the lead in settling national policy, just 25% say Mr. Bush, while 49% prefer Congress to take charge.

The poll of 1,011 adults, conducted Jan. 26-29, has a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points. Mr. Bush's overall job-approval rating remains at 39%, down from 50% immediately following his 2004 re-election.

The proportion of Americans who credit the president with being "honest and straightforward" has fallen to 38% from 50% in January 2005; the proportion that gives him high marks for "strong leadership qualities" is 42%, down from 52%.

http://users2.wsj.com/lmda/do/checkL...rst_element_hs

Any guesses as to how far he's into the speech before mentioning 911 or terrorists?

[Trader_Jorge]

I'm looking forward to a great speech tonight. The momentum is definitely in Bush's favor after the Alito confirmation today. I'd really like Bush to focus on the strong economy, job creation, taxes, energy policy and national security tonight. He owns those issues. Tonight also gives Bush a great opportunity to correct some of the false allegations coming from the left wingers.

[Rocket River]

Originally Posted by Trader_Jorge I'm looking forward to a great speech tonight. The momentum is definitely in Bush's favor after the Alito confirmation today. I'd really like Bush to focus on the strong economy, job creation, taxes, energy policy and national security tonight. He owns those issues. Tonight also gives Bush a great opportunity to correct some of the false allegations coming from the left wingers.

Now Jorge
Did you SERIOUSLY ever think that Alito's confirmation was ever in Jeapardy?
I mean . .the show was just a formality

Rocket River

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally Posted by Trader_Jorge I'm looking forward to a great speech tonight. The momentum is definitely in Bush's favor after the Alito confirmation today. I'd really like Bush to focus on the strong economy, job creation, taxes, energy policy and national security tonight. He owns those issues. Tonight also gives Bush a great opportunity to correct some of the false allegations coming from the left wingers.

:D:D:D

The best possible thing for the Democrats would be for Bush to claim a partisan victory with the Alito confirmation during the SOTU speech this evening. It would prove that he has nothing left in the tank, since the rest of the speech will be a rehash and repackaging of the same tired BS he's used in each of the previous 4 SOTU speeches he's given. If he pitches it this way, the non-FOX media and Tim Kaine should have a field day, especially after the 2005 that Bush stumbled through.

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by Rocket River Now Jorge Did you SERIOUSLY ever think that Alito's confirmation was ever in Jeapardy? I mean . .the show was just a formality Rocket River

It could have been more than that, if we had Democrats in Congress who knew what being a Democrat was. I would have preferred a filibuster. Fight, and by doing so, tell Americans why this is so important. Instead, they rolled over. It disgusts me.

We better get some real leadership, if the Democratic Party wants stop being a minority party, in a nation that doesn't like the governing party. Get some leadership that can make a damn speech, and doesn't carry a load of baggage in their hip pocket. Get some leadership that Americans can rally around... they are more than ready for change. Give it to them! And stop fumbling around in the dark. It's past time to lift the darkness that has fallen across America.



Keep D&D Civil.

[Batman Jones]

Deckard:

I really don't get how you square all that with your romantic feelings about the Clinton years. He practically invented equivocation as the prevailing Dem party strategy. I agree, of course, that the country was better off with him as president than Bush (a pretty low bar), but all this stuff you're pissed about now was engineered by your boy Bill and his DLC.

Jorge (just for fun):

An "opportunity" to correct the record? LMAO. Bush has gone on an unprecedented PR campaign the last several weeks, speaking publicly far, far, far more than he ever has outside of a campaign and his numbers have only droppped. The Alito confirmation is a victory for Bush, the extreme religious right and people who believe in big and strong government where the president has unchecked power to the detriment of the people to be sure, but he was also opposed by more members of the opposition party than any confirmed Justice in the history of the country. It's hardly a bellwether of public opinion shifting in Bush's favor. He's a lame duck with three years left to go and he'll be lucky to even stave off impeachment.

[Rocket River]

Originally Posted by Deckard It could have been more than that, if we had Democrats in Congress who knew what being a Denocrat was. I would have preferred a filibuster. Fight, and by doing so, tell Americans why this is so important. Instead, they rolled over. It disgusts me. We better get some real leadership, if the Democratic Party wants stop being a minority party, in a nation that doesn't like the governing party. Get some leadership that can make a damn speech, and doesn't carry a load of baggage in their hip pocket. Get some leadership that Americans can rally around... they are more than ready for change. Give it to them! And stop fumbling around in the dark. It's past time to lift the darkness that has fallen across America. Keep D&D Civil.

that is basically my point
the Demos SUCK
Everyday they seem weaker and weaker

hey soon to be a fricking 3rd party
if they don't watch out

Rocket River

[nyquil82]

People think the SOTU is broadcast on every channel. This is untrue. When Trader_Jorge watches tv, all the televisions in the world tune into the same broadcast. All liberals who turn off the tv will be roundhouse punched and will disintegrate from the force of the blow except for one piece which will be knocked all the way to France where they deserve to be buried.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by nyquil82 People think the SOTU is broadcast on every channel. This is untrue. When Trader_Jorge watches tv, all the televisions in the world tune into the same broadcast. All liberals who turn off the tv will be roundhouse punched and will disintegrate from the force of the blow except for one piece which will be knocked all the way to France where they deserve to be buried.

I've met Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris is a friend of mine. (My right hand was in a cast for six weeks after he gave me a friendly handshake.) Trader_Jorge is no Chuck Norris.

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^^^ :D

Jorgie here's your talking points all ready for ya...
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The President had to hit a home run tonight, and that's exactly what he did.

He really hit it out of the park.

I don't envy the Democrats tonight.

He offered a bold vision for the future.

He set the agenda for the rest of his presidency.

He framed the debate for the midterm elections.

He went on the offensive. (Alt: He put his critics on the defensive.)

He's always been at his best in campaign mode, and that's what he was tonight.

He shrewdly offered an olive branch to his opponents.

He made terrorism and security the number one issue.

The Democrats have no ____________ (alternative, leader, power, free 90-minute ads like tonight).

Swearing in Alito this afternoon so that he could sit with the other Justices tonight was truly a masterstroke. (Alt: Seating Mrs. Alito next to the First Lady in her box was a brilliant piece of stagecraft, and that's what statecraft really is after all.)

Call me old-fashioned, but that patriotic rhetoric still gives me goosebumps.

I don't care what they say, I thought Cheney looked good tonight.

If I had to sum up the President's message tonight, it would be this: Stay the course. Kill the terrorists. Cut taxes. Stop gay marriage.

When the President said ____, and the camera cut to (John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy), I know they put the best look on their face that they could, but let me tell you, I didn't envy them.

Will you please stop with the Abramoff pictures already? That's such a Beltway story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-...o_b_14721.html

[nyquil82]

Originally Posted by rimrocker I've met Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris is a friend of mine. (My right hand was in a cast for six weeks after he gave me a friendly handshake.) Trader_Jorge is no Chuck Norris.

No, if Trader_Jorge shook your hand with his large pythons, not only would half of your body be ripped away, but your penis would also shrink 90% and added to his "other python". In addition, all the women you have ever been with would automatically become his personal property, albiet willingly. If Trader_jorge shook your hand, your 'rim' would be 'rocked' in a way not known by any man.

[Mulder]

Originally Posted by nyquil82 No, if Trader_Jorge shook your hand with his large pythons, not only would half of your body be ripped away, but your penis would also shrink 90% and added to his "other python". In addition, all the women you have ever been with would automatically become his personal property, albiet willingly. If Trader_jorge shook your hand, your 'rim' would be 'rocked' in a way not known by any man.

Yet the great and powerful Conquistadork can't answer a simple true false question from a lowly civil servant...

For shame Jorge.

[bigtexxx]

It sounds like Bush will focus on alternative energy tonight. That is great.

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally Posted by bigtexxx It sounds like Bush will focus on alternative energy tonight. That is great.

Two points:

1. Too bad he hasn't "focused" on alternative energy during the course of his administration.

2. If he were to "focus" on his "successes" during the past 12 months, this year's SOTU speech would last approximately 90 seconds. The networks, even FOX "News", would all blow a major gasket.

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally Posted by RocketMan Tex Two points: 1. Too bad he hasn't "focused" on alternative energy during the course of his administration.

Wrong. Read the Energy Bill. There is a huge focus on alternative energy.

http://energy.senate.gov/legislation...gybill2003.cfm

Get a clue.

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally Posted by Trader_Jorge Wrong. Read the Energy Bill. There is a huge focus on alternative energy. http://energy.senate.gov/legislation...gybill2003.cfm Get a clue.

Look at the results.

Get a clue from reality, not fantasy.

:D

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally Posted by RocketMan Tex Look at the results.

Happily.

Renewable energy is booming. The use of solar power has been growing by more than 30% a year and, except for a hiccup in 2004 -- when Congress delayed renewing a tax credit -- so has wind power. Ethanol is heading for record production levels. And there's no end in sight, given high oil and gas prices, an increasing number of government mandates and incentives, and the first real steps toward tackling global warming. Clean Edge Inc., a research and strategy consultant, predicts that the total clean-energy market will grow to $92 billion by 2013, about seven times its current size of $13 billion. "The investment community is starting to see real opportunities," says Ron Pernick, co-founder of Clean Edge.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...2/b3914456.htm

One of about 30 links I could have posted.

Get a clue, RMTex. You are dead wrong on this issue. The Bush Administration made a huge effort to get the Energy Bill passed, and investment in alternative energy has spiked under his watch. You need to find a new issue to complain about, because this one isn't it.

[nyquil82]

It is hypocritical to say that Trader_Jorge can own people. You can't own things you already possess, let alone things you created. To state "ownage" is only stating the obvious. There are only two things in the world 1)things that Trader_Jorge owns and 2) things that Trader_Jorge used to own, but has chosen to dispose of.

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally Posted by Trader_Jorge Happily. Renewable energy is booming. The use of solar power has been growing by more than 30% a year and, except for a hiccup in 2004 -- when Congress delayed renewing a tax credit -- so has wind power. Ethanol is heading for record production levels. And there's no end in sight, given high oil and gas prices, an increasing number of government mandates and incentives, and the first real steps toward tackling global warming. Clean Edge Inc., a research and strategy consultant, predicts that the total clean-energy market will grow to $92 billion by 2013, about seven times its current size of $13 billion. "The investment community is starting to see real opportunities," says Ron Pernick, co-founder of Clean Edge. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...2/b3914456.htm One of about 30 links I could have posted. Get a clue, RMTex. You are dead wrong on this issue. The Bush Administration made a huge effort to get the Energy Bill passed, and investment in alternative energy has spiked under his watch. You need to find a new issue to complain about, because this one isn't it.

And I will happily call your "clues" for the partisan talking points they are. The reality is that average Americans are paying more for energy than they ever have before under GWB's watch, and there is no relief in sight.

T_J, people just might take your posts on this BBS a little more seriously if you were grounded in reality rather than pure unadulterated ideology. As it stands, you are nothing more than a parrot, who mimics every partisan talking point that is fed to you. It's really kind of sad that you are so completely unable to think for yourself. Thankfully, it's your life, and not mine.

:D

[mc mark]

BTW, how are those private accounts for Social Security coming along?