This really ticks me off. I really think the administration has just gone too far. Link Is the Pentagon spying on Americans? Secret database obtained by NBC News tracks ‘suspicious’ domestic groups By Lisa Myers, Douglas Pasternak, Rich Gardella and the NBC Investigative Unit Updated: 7:51 p.m. ET Dec. 13, 2005 WASHINGTON - A year ago, at a Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn't know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military. A secret 400-page Defense Department document obtained by NBC News lists the Lake Worth meeting as a “threat” and one of more than 1,500 “suspicious incidents” across the country over a recent 10-month period. “This peaceful, educationally oriented group being a threat is incredible,” says Evy Grachow, a member of the Florida group called The Truth Project. “This is incredible,” adds group member Rich Hersh. “It's an example of paranoia by our government,” he says. “We're not doing anything illegal.” The Defense Department document is the first inside look at how the U.S. military has stepped up intelligence collection inside this country since 9/11, which now includes the monitoring of peaceful anti-war and counter-military recruitment groups. “I think Americans should be concerned that the military, in fact, has reached too far,” says NBC News military analyst Bill Arkin. The Department of Defense declined repeated requests by NBC News for an interview. A spokesman said that all domestic intelligence information is “properly collected” and involves “protection of Defense Department installations, interests and personnel.” The military has always had a legitimate “force protection” mission inside the U.S. to protect its personnel and facilities from potential violence. But the Pentagon now collects domestic intelligence that goes beyond legitimate concerns about terrorism or protecting U.S. military installations, say critics. Four dozen anti-war meetings The DOD database obtained by NBC News includes nearly four dozen anti-war meetings or protests, including some that have taken place far from any military installation, post or recruitment center. One “incident” included in the database is a large anti-war protest at Hollywood and Vine in Los Angeles last March that included effigies of President Bush and anti-war protest banners. Another incident mentions a planned protest against military recruiters last December in Boston and a planned protest last April at McDonald’s National Salute to America’s Heroes — a military air and sea show in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. The Fort Lauderdale protest was deemed not to be a credible threat and a column in the database concludes: “US group exercising constitutional rights.” Two-hundred and forty-three other incidents in the database were discounted because they had no connection to the Department of Defense — yet they all remained in the database. The DOD has strict guidelines (.PDF link), adopted in December 1982, that limit the extent to which they can collect and retain information on U.S. citizens. Still, the DOD database includes at least 20 references to U.S. citizens or U.S. persons. Other documents obtained by NBC News show that the Defense Department is clearly increasing its domestic monitoring activities. One DOD briefing document stamped “secret” concludes: “[W]e have noted increased communication and encouragement between protest groups using the nternet,” but no “significant connection” between incidents, such as “reoccurring instigators at protests” or “vehicle descriptions.” The increased monitoring disturbs some military observers. “It means that they’re actually collecting information about who’s at those protests, the descriptions of vehicles at those protests,” says Arkin. “On the domestic level, this is unprecedented,” he says. “I think it's the beginning of enormous problems and enormous mischief for the military.” Some former senior DOD intelligence officials share his concern. George Lotz, a 30-year career DOD official and former U.S. Air Force colonel, held the post of Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Oversight from 1998 until his retirement last May. Lotz, who recently began a consulting business to help train and educate intelligence agencies and improve oversight of their collection process, believes some of the information the DOD has been collecting is not justified. Make sure they are not just going crazy “Somebody needs to be monitoring to make sure they are just not going crazy and reporting things on U.S. citizens without any kind of reasoning or rationale,” says Lotz. “I demonstrated with Martin Luther King in 1963 in Washington,” he says, “and I certainly didn’t want anybody putting my name on any kind of list. I wasn’t any threat to the government,” he adds. The military’s penchant for collecting domestic intelligence is disturbing — but familiar — to Christopher Pyle, a former Army intelligence officer. “Some people never learn,” he says. During the Vietnam War, Pyle blew the whistle on the Defense Department for monitoring and infiltrating anti-war and civil rights protests when he published an article in the Washington Monthly in January 1970. The public was outraged and a lengthy congressional investigation followed that revealed that the military had conducted investigations on at least 100,000 American citizens. Pyle got more than 100 military agents to testify that they had been ordered to spy on U.S. citizens — many of them anti-war protestors and civil rights advocates. In the wake of the investigations, Pyle helped Congress write a law placing new limits on military spying inside the U.S. But Pyle, now a professor at Mt. Holyoke College in Massachusetts, says some of the information in the database suggests the military may be dangerously close to repeating its past mistakes. “The documents tell me that military intelligence is back conducting investigations and maintaining records on civilian political activity. The military made promises that it would not do this again,” he says. Too much data? Some Pentagon observers worry that in the effort to thwart the next 9/11, the U.S. military is now collecting too much data, both undermining its own analysis efforts by forcing analysts to wade through a mountain of rubble in order to obtain potentially key nuggets of intelligence and entangling U.S. citizens in the U.S. military’s expanding and quiet collection of domestic threat data. Two years ago, the Defense Department directed a little known agency, Counterintelligence Field Activity, or CIFA, to establish and “maintain a domestic law enforcement database that includes information related to potential terrorist threats directed against the Department of Defense.” Then-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz also established a new reporting mechanism known as a TALON or Threat and Local Observation Notice report. TALONs now provide “non-validated domestic threat information” from military units throughout the United States that are collected and retained in a CIFA database. The reports include details on potential surveillance of military bases, stolen vehicles, bomb threats and planned anti-war protests. In the program’s first year, the agency received more than 5,000 TALON reports. The database obtained by NBC News is generated by Counterintelligence Field Activity. CIFA is becoming the superpower of data mining within the U.S. national security community. Its “operational and analytical records” include “reports of investigation, collection reports, statements of individuals, affidavits, correspondence, and other documentation pertaining to investigative or analytical efforts” by the DOD and other U.S. government agencies to identify terrorist and other threats. Since March 2004, CIFA has awarded at least $33 million in contracts to corporate giants Lockheed Martin, Unisys Corporation, Computer Sciences Corporation and Northrop Grumman to develop databases that comb through classified and unclassified government data, commercial information and Internet chatter to help sniff out terrorists, saboteurs and spies. One of the CIFA-funded database projects being developed by Northrop Grumman and dubbed “Person Search,” is designed “to provide comprehensive information about people of interest.” It will include the ability to search government as well as commercial databases. Another project, “The Insider Threat Initiative,” intends to “develop systems able to detect, mitigate and investigate insider threats,” as well as the ability to “identify and document normal and abnormal activities and ‘behaviors,’” according to the Computer Sciences Corp. contract. A separate CIFA contract with a small Virginia-based defense contractor seeks to develop methods “to track and monitor activities of suspect individuals.” “The military has the right to protect its installations, and to protect its recruiting services,” says Pyle. “It does not have the right to maintain extensive files on lawful protests of their recruiting activities, or of their base activities,” he argues. Lotz agrees. “The harm in my view is that these people ought to be allowed to demonstrate, to hold a banner, to peacefully assemble whether they agree or disagree with the government’s policies,” the former DOD intelligence official says. 'Slippery slope' Bert Tussing, director of Homeland Defense and Security Issues at the U.S. Army War College and a former Marine, says “there is very little that could justify the collection of domestic intelligence by the Unites States military. If we start going down this slippery slope it would be too easy to go back to a place we never want to see again,” he says. Some of the targets of the U.S. military’s recent collection efforts say they have already gone too far. “It's absolute paranoia — at the highest levels of our government,” says Hersh of The Truth Project. “I mean, we're based here at the Quaker Meeting House,” says Truth Project member Marie Zwicker, “and several of us are Quakers.” The Defense Department refused to comment on how it obtained information on the Lake Worth meeting or why it considers a dozen or so anti-war activists a “threat.”
Are you looking for a straight forward answer? Then, you get an emphatic "YES"! And btw, it did NOT start with this administration, you will have to look back decades and decades ago to find a precedence, so it's a 'cop out' to blame Bush and his people for this as if it's a first, but I understand that you might not be aware of that fact. Is it wrong? Theoritically, yes. However, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion and an accepted fact of life that most Americans don't really seem to mind. Heck, if the Mossad are spying on Americans, why shouldn't a domestic agency have such powers? Moreover, whether they do have those powers explicitly authorized or not doesn't make a dang difference, because they will still do it; you can bet on that. Old news.
If Google has an unofficial top 10 supercomputer that can map out the internet and log all our email/buyers info/click parterns 5 fold per cluster, then there's that slim and tiny chance the Man could be doing it too. Not that it matters. Cryptography can range anywhere from cramming messages into freely shared MP3s or p*rnography or those newspaper ads Conan O'Brian finds....
From Slashdot A few hours ago, the European parliament accepted a proposal '...on the retention of data processed in connection with the provision of public electronic communication services...'. Summarized: any data (internet connections, traffic, email, file sharing, SMS, phone calls) of 450 million people of Europe has to be collected by telcos, to be used by governments in their fight against 'crime and terrorism' ... oh, and child p*rn, of course. It looks like the conspiracy spooks were right. Because of cheap and free access to very strong and difficult to crack cryptography, governments are using the run-around and collecting all information. They still can't distinguish photos of Jessica Alba's see thru with embedded messages to take down Tha Man though. Yay for us citizens with nothing to hide....
Pentegon? Maybe. CIA? In a word. YES! For this alone Bush should be impeached. ----------------- Bush Lets U.S. Spy on Callers Without Courts By JAMES RISEN and ERIC LICHTBLAU Published: December 16, 2005 WASHINGTON, Dec. 15 - Months after the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without the court-approved warrants ordinarily required for domestic spying, according to government officials. Under a presidential order signed in 2002, the intelligence agency has monitored the international telephone calls and international e-mail messages of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States without warrants over the past three years in an effort to track possible "dirty numbers" linked to Al Qaeda, the officials said. The agency, they said, still seeks warrants to monitor entirely domestic communications. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/p...age&adxnnlx=1134735536-hrjATYRN117+AwiOfSeGsw
New York Times admits it held domestic spying story for a full year RAW STORY On the second page of a report which reveals the White House engaged in warantless domestic spying, the New York Times reveals that it held the story for a full year at the request of the Bush Administration, RAW STORY can reveal. The Times also reveals that senior members of Congress from both parties knew about Bush's decision to spy on Americans who were making international calls or emails, without warrants. Further, the Times notes that they have omitted information in the article they did write, agreeing with the Bush Administration that the information could be useful for terrorists. Excerpts from the Times' article follow. http://rawstory.com/news/2005/New_York_Times_admits_it_held_1215.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/16/AR2005121600021_2.html Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies at George Washington University, said the secret order may amount to the president authorizing criminal activity. Behavior Pat Robertson would approve of. You go W!!!
texxx? basso? TJ? supernut? Anybody care to give an opinion on the NSA reading your emails or listening to your phone calls?
I have long suspected some Americans don't really care about their freedoms so much. We have often heard the rationalizing of people giving up freedoms in exchange for what they believe is "security". It is odd that some people are willing to have soldiers and Iraqis dying for freedom over there, but don't seem concerned with it here.
Who cares. I'm invincible, the government can't do anything to someone with the title "The Greatest Poster Alive". Seriously, would you?
If its for the good of our country and the security of out law abiding citizens, then I don't have a problem with it. The only ones who should, are those who are involved in ilegal activities.
Taking away or encroaching on our freedoms guaranteed in the constitution is NEVER for good of our country and the security of any citizens. In fact it is directly opposed to the good of our country, and contrary to everything that our founding fathers believed in. I do thank you for being honest. As I said earlier it is amazing to me that some people claim to be in favor of sending soldiers to die, and having Iraqis die for their freedom, but willingly would give up their own freedom at home, in the land ofthe free. It is very ironic. The people who should have something to fear, is every single person who appreciates and believes in the constitution of the U.S. and freedom.
Classic argument. It makes no sense unless you live your life in a perpetual state of induced fear. Some of us don't give a damn what is going on the world and refuse to give up our civil liberties. In a gross application of irony, we are now casually labeled "unpatriotic". Reggietodd, you aren't doing anything illegal when you dress up like Tinkerbell and prance around your house, so you shouldn't mind Homeland Security agents watching you doing it. Likewise, if you aren't doing anything illegal, you should not mind the government sending agents over to read your e-mail, rifle through your personal belongings, listen to your phone conversations, and tail you when you drive somewhere. In fact, I vote you voluntarily submit yourself to this type of operation, to prove how awesome it is at stopping terrorism.
This isn't taking away my freedoms. As long as i'm not doing anything ilegal then I can carry on doing whatever it is I chose to do. And once they realize taht i'm not a threat to the security of this country, then they will move on and I will no longer be spied on. I'm still free to do whatever I choose, regardless of who may be watching, therefore IMO my freedoms aren't being jeopardized.
It is taking away your right to privacy. It might not be something you give two sh*ts about, but other people do care.
I am sure it would be a great society if everyone is monitored by TV camera 24 hours a day and everything is recorded so every crime could be traced back. That would be a country everyone would love to live in.