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  1. KD

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    Date: 2000-12-05 01:40:06 PST


    In article <90ia02$kpp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
    old_ironside@my-deja.com wrote:
    > In article <NP0X5.37594$II2.3360072@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
    > "Alson Wong" <alsonwong@earthlink.net.block> wrote:
    > > Rick <casabahias@aol.comblock> wrote in message
    > > news:20001204192846.04465.00000215@ng-fp1.aol.com...
    > > > I remember that too, their inside-out game was pretty. It would have been
    > > > interesting, at least, to watch a Bulls-Rockets series.
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    > > Yes, that Rocket team is the one team that I believe could have beaten a
    > > Bulls team had Jordan not retired. Olajuwon was playing at a Jordanesque
    > > level, and surrounded by a talented supporting cast with great chemistry.
    > > The Rockets did not have HCA in any playoff series, yet they beat the teams
    > > with the top four records in the NBA.
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    > Do you recall how the Rockets faired against the Bulls in 92-93?

    Well, I do know that when MJ came back to win the championship, the
    Bulls split the regular season with the Rockets. I remember some of the
    comments before the games. Kenny Smith was saying the Rockets are the
    defending champs not the Bulls. It's too bad MJ retired at the time. I
    would have liked to have seen a rockets/bulls finals matchup. I don't
    think the Rockets would have beaten them the first time around. Hell,
    they barely beat NY who barely beat a Bulls team without MJ. But the
    year after that with Drexler, they might have had a chance plus
    Olajuwon was playing his best basketball ever at the time.



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  2. lived

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    I don't think the 93-94 Rocks could have beaten the Bulls. No way. With a back court of Smith and Maxwell? With Horry? Not a chance.
    But the 94-95 squad might have done that. But only based on our start 5. Face it, our bench could not have compared to the Bulls' bench. I mean, no offence, but we had chucky brown and charles jones! The interesting matchup would be Drexler vs Jordan. Jordan has admitted that Clyde is probably one of the best players he's played against in terms of all-round game. Plus, Dream was playing typical dream-ball. He could have cancelled out Jordan's output.

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  3. RocksMillenium

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    The 1993-1994 team could have beaten the Bulls. Smith and Maxwell would have fared well againt a backcourt of Jordan and BJ Armstrong. Remember, Maxwell defended Jordan, probably better then Drexler did. Otis Thorpe and Hakeem would have had a field day against Bill Cartwright and Horace Grant. I think both Rocket teams could have beaten the Bulls.

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    Mj has stated that Maxwell was probably the best defender he played against, giving Clyde similar props but not "the best" position. 93-94, 94-95, 95-96, they could have all beaten the Bulls....hands down.
    Bill Cartright? come on. The bulls had no answer for Hakeem and with the best defense you can have on the 2 gaurd, with Smith and Cassell sitting out for the three on the perimeter, with Robert Horry's range...hands down.


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    How do you figure this?

    Off the bench that season we had Brown, Elie, and Cassell.

    They had the likes of Scott Williams, Dickey Simpkins, etc.

    BTW did anyone read SLAM this week. Simpkins voted to the all star team with lke 20 ppg 15 rpg!

    LOL

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  6. RocksMillenium

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    I'm trying to figure out this great bench of the Bulls. This is a team that, during their title run, had such "great" bench players as Craig Hodges, Bobby Hansen, Dickey Simpkins, John Paxson, Will Purdue, Scott Williams, Jason Caffey, Scottie Burrell, Robert Parish, Trent Tucker I can go on and on. The Bulls bench wasn't all that dominant.

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    #6 RocksMillenium, Apr 12, 2001
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    Yeah, I hate it when Bulls fans say that they would have 8 straight championships if Jordan had not retired...

    If you look back at the teams the Bulls played in their finals during their championship years, if I recall correctly, none of them had a truly dominant center. Some had dominant PFs, but none had an offensively and defensively amazing center that could change the game at both ends of the floor. The fact is, when it came down to championship series, we never got to see how Jordan would have dealt with Olajuwon's shot blocking and shot altering abilities.

    It would have been a sight to behold.

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  8. roydelton

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    The Bulls would have 8 straight championships if MJ hadn't retired.Then he would have stayed 2 more seasons to make it 10 straight,cause he is greedy enough to do so.The Rockets wouldn't have made the difference then,like they never did.

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  9. Rocketability

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    Stay cool! Rockets fans!

    To say that they would have won 10 straight champs is BULL! To say that we would have defeated the Bulls should Jordan not retire is also BULL! We can never turn back the clock and let this happen. The Bulls won 6 and we won 2. That's the fact. We both have been championship teams. People out there saying should Jordan not retire the Bulls would have, could have ... is all BULL. we can't really control what others say.

    Let's leave the BULL to Chicago. We don't need it here. [​IMG]

    Having said all that, I hate the Bulls! [​IMG]

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    I post this because it is hard to find on other teams' BBS where they think Rockets could have beaten the Bulls.

    That is why Isiah Thomas is the player I dislike most, more than Pippen. He tried to boycott Jordan in the 80s. Then he started kissing Mike's ass in the 90s when he realized that he couldn't stop him. Then once, very explicitly, he said Dream is not on the same level as he and Jordan because Rockets's rings came in Jordan's absence.

    (A few years back, he was listing the great players and teams from 80s, Bird, Magic, himself and Jordan. Then the reporter asked him about Hakeem. He said Hakeem is good, but it doesn't count because he did not go through Jordan.)

    The only good thing Thomas has ever done off court was buying the CBA to piss Stern. He failed in that business too. A total loser off court. Remember how he kissed Vince Carter's ass again in last year's Slam Dunk competition? As a judge, he showed all his favouritism after every Carter's dunk by jumping and laughing like a clown. He just looks down on the Rockets, old and new.

    I hope Pacers go out in 3 games in the playoffs, and Isiah Thomas get fired next year.

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  11. Petesez

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    I don't think the all-time NBA All-Star team would have beaten us in '95...remember, we finished the playoffs on an 11-2 run that year, and by the end our confidence was so high that we wouldn't have lost to anyone...

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    A bit too much to ask for to beat the ALL TIME ALL STAR, but I think 95 Rockets have a good chance against 72-10 Bulls.

    I remembered a tally of every team's regular season record against MJ in the 90s. Rockets and Jazz were the best, with, if I remember correctly, a tie or 1 game advantage against Bulls (with MJ on the team). Spurs is a close 3rd. The other teams looked really bad on the chart. Hakeem once said on TV Bulls had a hard time against Texas teams, namely Rockets and Spurs, each with a dominant center.

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    Having a good bench is not important in the playoffs, thats why it never hurt the Bulls. They had a bunch of role players on the bench just like Houston, and thats why they won. Eventually they would have a great bench in B.Willaims AKA B.Dele, Kukoc, Caffey, Burrell, Kerr, but they didnt have that in the early 90's. I think the 2 Houston championship teams had a better chance at the bulls than anyone else, Hakeem would get 35 and 15 and Maxwell could probably do some damage to MJ, he is however MJ, no one could even hinder the guy when he reached certain levels. Bulls never faced a dominant center in the finals I think Olajuwon could have carried them. I also think the team that lost in game 6 of the west finals to Utah could have beaten chicago. Barkley vs Rodman, now that would have crazy, Drexler vs Pippen, thats a good one too. Regardless of how the Rockets might have fared against some of those great Bulls teams it still would have been great to watch. I think most people would rather see a Houston team play the Bulls instead of the Jazz and Sonics.

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  14. Steve_Francis_rules

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    The rockets would have won because the bulls would have had a harder time stopping dream than the rockets would have stopping MJ.

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    I think you had six chances even to advance to the finals back than (when we had MJ), but you couldn't do it.

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    During the Bulls first 3-peat, the Rockets were 5-1 vs. the Bulls in the regular season. As great as MJ was, Maxwell contained him relatively well.

    -Basically, the Rockets would have crushed those Bulls teams if MJ hadn't retired. Think back to how Olajuwon COMPLETELY DOMINATED AND TORCHED David Robinson, one of the Best Centers EVER. Now imagine that Bill Cartwright/Luc Longley is trying to guard Hakeem?...

    If he dropped 40 a night on the Admiral, no telling how many he'd drop on the Bulls. They'd be forced to double and triple team and the Rockets had the complement of outside shooting with Smith, Elie, Horry, Cassell to burn that strategy to pieces.

    -The NBA is all about matchups. The Bulls didn't match up well with Houston at all because their weakness was the Center position and Hakeem is probably the best Center of the last 20 years, if not the best center ever. The team that gave the Rockets fits was Seattle. The Sonics swarming D always gave Houston FITS and was tough to match up with. Chicago would have been a breeze.

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