Texans OVERRATED PLAYERS ....

Luckyazn · 09-20-2005, 11:45 AM

Man these guys are not worth what we got them for Phillip Buchanon, Travis Johnson, Jason Babin and Morlon Greenwood. ( you can add David Carr too)

This team seems to be going backward than forward, the more I look at our players beside AJ and DROD ....... these team doesn't look that good.

Teams like Cinn, Jacksonville, and Dallas has improved more than us in the past 3 yrs.

PS: How come we dont use our TE like the rest of the league?

pgabriel · 09-20-2005, 11:47 AM

Greenwood actually made some plays Sunday. John Grenado said Babin won't be starting next game.

The Real Shady · 09-20-2005, 12:06 PM

Still too early to tell if TJ is going to be a player or not. The players that I think are overrated on the Texans are....

Marcus Coleman
P-Burnt
Kailee Wong
Greenwood
Babin
Gary Walker

Victor Riley (not overrated, just stinks)
McKinney
Weigert
Wade
Jabar Gaffney
Corey Bradford (just stinks)
David Carr
Kris Brown (missed too many FG last year)

Luckyazn · 09-20-2005, 12:07 PM

We are closer to being the 1999 CLEVELAND BROWNS both with #1 pick QB (T. Couch and David Carr)

Cleveland Browns
1999 2-14
2000 3-13
2001 7-9
2002 9-7 (maded wild card playoff)

Houston Texans
2002 4-12
2003 5-11
2004 7-9
2005 0-2 (miss playoff?)

leehoang · 09-20-2005, 01:26 PM

David Carr.

H-Town Info · 09-20-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Real Shady

Still too early to tell if TJ is going to be a player or not. The players that I think are overrated on the Texans are....

Marcus Coleman
P-Burnt
Kailee Wong
Greenwood
Babin
Gary Walker

Victor Riley (not overrated, just stinks)
McKinney
Weigert
Wade
Jabar Gaffney
Corey Bradford (just stinks)
David Carr
Kris Brown (missed too many FG last year)

yes for overrated. no for overrated. just my opinon

Marcus Coleman no
P-Burnt yes
Kailee Wong no
Greenwood yes
Babin yes
Gary Walker yes

Victor Riley (not overrated, just stinks) he just stinks
McKinney hell yes
Weigert no
Wade no
Jabar Gaffney yes
Corey Bradford (just stinks) yes
David Carr no
Kris Brown (missed too many FG last year) no

reggietodd · 09-20-2005, 01:38 PM

From a fantasy football standpoint: Domanick Davis

The Cat · 09-20-2005, 02:09 PM

It's hard to tell who on offense (other than the offensive line) is overrated considering they have on average 1-2 seconds to let the play develop before Carr/Davis/whoever is engulfed by the entire defensive line.

Hey Now! · 09-20-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cat

It's hard to tell who on offense (other than the offensive line) is overrated considering they have on average 1-2 seconds to let the play develop before Carr/Davis/whoever is engulfed by the entire defensive line.

not on every play.

wesnesked · 09-20-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Real Shady

Still too early to tell if TJ is going to be a player or not. The players that I think are overrated on the Texans are....

Marcus Coleman
P-Burnt
Kailee Wong
Greenwood
Babin
Gary Walker

Victor Riley (not overrated, just stinks)
McKinney
Weigert
Wade
Jabar Gaffney
Corey Bradford (just stinks)
David Carr
Kris Brown (missed too many FG last year)

Don't players have to be decent to be considered overrated? Most of these guys by an NFL standpoint arn't good enough to be considered. Players like Gaffney, Bradford, Babin, and Riley shouldn't even be in the coversation as being being rated, much less overrated.

No Worries · 09-20-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cat

It's hard to tell who on offense (other than the offensive line) is overrated considering they have on average 1-2 seconds to let the play develop before Carr/Davis/whoever is engulfed by the entire defensive line.

The fact that the O-Line is getting paychecks means that they are overrated.

Hakeem06 · 09-20-2005, 05:17 PM

david carr isn't as good as thought he would be but NO ONE can succeed with that offensive line. NO ONE!!! not elway, not aikman, not montana. that line is one of the worst i've EVER seen. and carr will never succeed with that group.

however jabar gaffney is AWFUL. doesn't even turn around for balls thrown to him. just cut his ass.

swilkins · 09-20-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckyazn

PS: How come we dont use our TE like the rest of the league?

Because there isn't a trade exception in the NFL.

Lil Francis · 09-20-2005, 05:52 PM

David Carr
Jason Babin
Steve McKinney
Tony Hollings
Cory Bradford

u851662 · 09-20-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil Francis

David Carr
Jason Babin
Steve McKinney
Tony Hollings
Cory Bradford

I agree, and add gaffney to your list

The Cat · 09-20-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ric

not on every play.

They're at a significant disadvantage on every play. Even on the rare occasions that the Texans have time to let the play develop, the opposition still doesn't even think about having anyone in the secondary blitz. They can almost always get enough pressure from the front four. Even when the OL rarely holds up, Carr and AJ don't get the mismatches in single coverage that most other quarterbacks/top wideouts can take advantage of several times a game due to blitzes.

(FWIW, Carr, Davis and Johnson are all underrated... the fact that they've been able to play - going back to last year - as well as they have with the status of this offensive line is nothing short of miraculous.)

Lil Francis · 09-20-2005, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by u851662

I agree, and add gaffney to your list

I don't know about Gaffney. I kind of like him. I think we have to get a Qb first and then tell if he is a decent wideout. But I do agree about the Texans taking Gaffney over Portis and DeShaun Foster was a mistake.

TigerBait · 09:09 PM

If we could go back in time I would have taken Chris Gamble, Kevin Jones, Karlos Dansby, Ben Watson, Teddy Lehman, Julius Jones, Michael Boulware, Keary Colbert, Darnell Dockett, Randy Starks, Jason David, Jared Allen, and many more with that Babin pick. But other than that it was a nice pick by Casserly.

pgabriel · 09-20-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cat

They're at a significant disadvantage on every play. Even on the rare occasions that the Texans have time to let the play develop, the opposition still doesn't even think about having anyone in the secondary blitz. They can almost always get enough pressure from the front four. Even when the OL rarely holds up, Carr and AJ don't get the mismatches in single coverage that most other quarterbacks/top wideouts can take advantage of several times a game due to blitzes.

(FWIW, Carr, Davis and Johnson are all underrated... the fact that they've been able to play - going back to last year - as well as they have with the status of this offensive line is nothing short of miraculous.)

So whose fault was it last season when Carr's numbers started declining over the second half of the season while Davis was still going over a hundred yard a game. Was it the same line that allowed Carr to post over 100 qb ratings in the first half of that season?

redgoose · 09-21-2005, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lil Francis

I don't know about Gaffney. I kind of like him. I think we have to get a Qb first and then tell if he is a decent wideout. But I do agree about the Texans taking Gaffney over Portis and DeShaun Foster was a mistake.

Portis would have been a bust on this team. He'd be no better than Tony Hollings. Denver can produce so many running backs because they always have a great O-Line that provides gaps to run through. Our line only produces gaps for the defense to run through.