A poll taken by Time said that people believe that Bush could do a better job with taxes, but when given both tax cut plans without names, the majority picked Gore's. It doesn't matter though, neither one will ever be passed. They might as well be playing with Monopoly money. ------------------ Cheerleaders are just dancers who've gone r****ded. visit www.swirve.com
The gender thing is very interesting. You would think that after all of Clinton's sex scandals, women would shy away from anyone attached to him. I wonder if they'll try to find an explanation. Achebe, you are right, the campaign finance reform thing is strange. I can only guess it's because it hasn't been one of the key points of Bush's campaign. It always strikes me as odd that Gore would get any credit on this one, considering his record. I guess he can talk the talk. Social Security will continue to be a big topic. I wonder if Bush's take on a "Democratic" topic has anything to do with the fact that Clinton has promised to fix this for the past eight years -- and hasn't done a thing. It seems more like a dead heat, with a lot of undecideds. We still haven't seen much publicity on the candidates platforms, which came out a little late this election. It's going to be an interesting battle. Achebe, thanks for posting this article. ------------------ Stay Cool...
dc: Women don't care about the sex scandals nearly as much as men. Every woman I know favors Clinton and Gore because they have at least shown a passing interest in women's issues and have attempted to include them in government. Clinton's cabinet, for instance, has more women than ever before. In addition, Republicans have generally been against what are traditionally considered women's issues: abortion, aid to dependant mothers, daycare for working mothers, anti-sexual discrimination, etc. Things like the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas hearings and the bashing welfare mom's took in the 80's still resonate today with women. My mom has a lot of female friends in their 40's and 50's and they still fume over the way Hill was treated and how welfare mothers were treated like criminals by the Reagan administration. With 51% of the population being women, you would think that more than a couple of senators and a handful of congress members would be women. If I were a woman, I probably wouldn't be too thrilled about it either. The last study I read, for instance, said that women still make, on average, 25% less than men at the same jobs. I think that would piss anyone off. ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
I wonder how many can actually explain or define the position of either candidate. Socialism 2030: Catch the Fever, America!
Isn't it sad how 90% of blacks appear to vote democratic no matter what? What is it, affirmative action? Because I doubt 90% of blacks are pro-affirmative action. Have they been brainwashed to vote this way? Any ideas? ------------------ "The only problem is I always think of the guitar player from Dokken when I hear his name." -Traj, on the possibility of George Lynch joining the Rockets.
Freak: Are you serious? Do you have any black friends? Do you honestly believe that affirmative action is the only reason to vote democratic if you are African American? ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
Jeff -- no, I don't think that. That was kind of the point of my post. I want to know why 9 out of 10 blacks will always vote Democrat (in the last 2 or 3 presidential elections, at least). I'm pretty sure that affirmative action is a 50/50 issue among blacks. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why a black person who lives in my neighborhood, works where I work, and makes what I make (or more), will always vote democratic? 90% of whites don't vote the same way, last time I checked. I'm being serious here. ------------------ "The only problem is I always think of the guitar player from Dokken when I hear his name." -Traj, on the possibility of George Lynch joining the Rockets. [This message has been edited by TheFreak (edited September 07, 2000).]
TheFreak has a point here. I think it's partly an evolution of thought. In the same way that anti-discrimination laws are necessary because people like to hang out w/ people that are like them... people vote for the people that they perceive to be like them as well. Having people such as Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson speaking at the conventions in years past truly harmed the Republicans (David Duke declaring himself as a Republican probably drew lines sharper in the deep South too). Although I don't agree w/ Bush's platform I do support the possible influences that his campaign can have on the Republicans. If Republicans can begin to broaden their base, they'll begin to carry themselves in a much more compassionate way, period. We won't have such heated issues such as "gay rights", etc. when the Christian Coalition is merely one voice amongst many in the Republican party. The biggest thing to note on marginalized groups is this: People will give you the benefit of the doubt if you merely talk to them. If the Republicans embrace groups outside of their core, the nation as a whole will improve (and if I never have to see Jerry Falwell speaking for the Republican party, I'll actually listen up a little better). Imagine a world in which Liberals and Conservatives will be relinquished to raising their hands on the fringes... as the moderates lead the way. ------------------ Why don't you guys go down to the gym and pump each other
I agree with BK, it's great to see people voting on the basis of the big issues and who has the better solution. On the voting demographics it would on appear only white males are voting for Bush, now what does that say about his and the republican policies. ------------------ Discombobulation Imminent
I think Achebe hit the nail on the head. If I were black, I certainly would not identify with the party of Pat Robertson or Phil Graham or, on a local level, Gary Polland. I don't identify with them so I can understand it and I'm not black. ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
Achebe & Jeff -- excuse my ignorance, but what do Robertson, Buchanan (particularly since he has a black running mate), and Graham have to say that is anti-black? Surely nothing in their beliefs singles out blacks, and not hispanics and asians (who as far as I know don't vote 90% democratic)? ------------------ "The only problem is I always think of the guitar player from Dokken when I hear his name." -Traj, on the possibility of George Lynch joining the Rockets.
Gore Leads by 6 Points in New Reuters Poll September 7, 2000 11:51 am EST By Alan Elsner, Political Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Buoyed by support from women, Democrat Al Gore leads Republican George W. Bush by six percentage points in the U.S. presidential race in which the gender gap has become a chasm, according to a new Reuters/Zogby poll released on Thursday. The poll of 1,001 likely voters conducted for Reuters Monday through Wednesday by pollster John Zogby found the vice president leading Bush, the governor of Texas, by 46 to 40 percent. Green Party candidate Ralph Nader polled 5 percent and the Reform Party's Pat Buchanan scored 2 percent. In a two-man matchup. Gore led 49 to 43 percent. Gore's lead was still on the edges of the poll's statistical margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percent but the survey confirmed the vice president had kept the bounce he received from last month's Democratic convention and added to it. In the last Reuters/Zogby poll, taken the weekend following the convention that ended Aug. 17 and released Aug. 21, Gore had led by three points. Since then, his support has risen by two percentage percent and Bush's has dropped by two points. Recent history shows that the candidate leading in the first poll after Labor Day almost invariably goes on to win the election. MASSIVE GENDER GAP The main feature of the poll was a massive gender gap, with women supporting Gore by 21 percentage points while men were backing Bush by 11 points. That added up to an unprecedented 32-point differential. "I guess you could say that Gore supporters are from Venus and Bush supporters are from Mars. This is as wide as you can imagine it," said pollster John Zogby. In the 1996 presidential election, President Clinton won the vote among women by 16 points but Republican Bob Dole edged the vote among men by one point -- a 17-point gap. In the new poll, more than 77 percent of respondents said they did not intend to change their minds before the Nov. 7 election. Undecided voters broke two to one for Gore when asked which way they leaned. Nearly two-thirds said the United States was headed in the right direction -- a leading indicator that the party holding the White House could expect to be rewarded with a new term. Asked to rank issues, voters indicated that education and Social Security remained at the top of their agenda, followed by universal heath care for children, military preparedness and providing prescription drugs for seniors. Cutting taxes and campaign finance reform lagged well behind. GORE AHEAD ON ISSUES Respondents preferred Gore's position over Bush's by a wide margin on education (25 points), health care for children (30 points), a patient's bill of rights (40 points) and campaign finance reform (32 points). Gore also led by nine points on providing prescription drugs for older Americans. Bush led by four points on tax cuts, six points on military preparedness and a single point on Social Security. "Gore has built a clear advantage on many of the key issues," Zogby said. "But it would be a mistake to read too much into this poll, which was taken after a period when Bush has been on the ropes. This is still a horse race." The poll showed Gore and Bush remained in a virtual dead heat in the key Midwest region, where many experts believe the election will be won. Gore led easily on both coasts and made inroads into Bush's base in the South as well. While both candidates enjoyed overwhelming support from their own party faithful, Gore led by eight points among independent voters. He also led among most age groups, though the two candidates were statistically tied in the crucial 35- to 55-year-old bracket. Gore's lead among voters living in big cities was offset by Bush's wide advantage among rural voters. The race was a virtual tie among suburban and small-town voters. Bush led by eight points among whites but Gore was getting almost 90 percent of the black vote and had a 21-point lead among Hispanics. Many experts, including Zogby, believe one key group to watch in the election are those earning $25,000-$50,000 a year who have not fully participated in the country's prosperity. The two candidates were tied in this group. <hr> Polls are pretty wack. However, I hope the margin of error is statistically viable enough to discuss this one. I found it interesting the way the issues fell. Taxes and military preparedness are barely Bush issues. Huh? Bush also has a one point lead in Social Security, traditionally a democrat's issue. It is barely a lead, but it seems as if there are a large amount of people that consider privatization a good idea. I also thought it was interesting that Bush touts his voucher idea when Gore is killing him on that issue. Neither candidate could make claims to fame concerning campaign finance reform, but Gore is killing Bush on that issue. Uhhhh... ------------------ Why don't you guys go down to the gym and pump each other
Here are some quotes from Buchanan that might help you understand: On Blacks On race relations in the late 1940s and early 1950s: "There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The 'negroes' of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours." (Right from the Beginning, Buchanan's 1988 autobiography, p. 131) Buchanan, who opposed virtually every civil rights law and court decision of the last 30 years, published FBI smears of Martin Luther King Jr. as his own editorials in the St. Louis Globe Democrat in the mid-1960s. "We were among Hoover's conduits to the American people," he boasted (Right from the Beginning, p. 283). White House advisor Buchanan urged President Nixon in an April 1969 memo not to visit "the Widow King" on the first anniversary of Martin Luther King's assassination, warning that a visit would "outrage many, many people who believe Dr. King was a fraud and a demagogue and perhaps worse.... Others consider him the Devil incarnate. Dr. King is one of the most divisive men in contemporary history." (New York Daily News, 10/1/90) In a memo to President Nixon, Buchanan suggested that "integration of blacks and whites -- but even more so, poor and well-to-do -- is less likely to result in accommodation than it is in perpetual friction, as the incapable are placed consciously by government side by side with the capable." (Washington Post, 1/5/92) In another memo from Buchanan to Nixon: "There is a legitimate grievance in my view of white working-class people that every time, on every issue, that the black militants loud-mouth it, we come up with more money.... If we can give 50 Phantoms [jet fighters] to the Jews, and a multi-billion dollar welfare program for the blacks...why not help the Catholics save their collapsing school system." (Boston Globe, 1/4/92) Buchanan has repeatedly insisted that President Reagan did so much for African-Americans that civil rights groups have no reason to exist: "George Bush should have told the [NAACP convention] that black America has grown up; that the NAACP should close up shop, that its members should go home and reflect on JFK's admonition: 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but rather ask what you can do for your country.'" (syndicated column, 7/26/88) In a column sympathetic to ex-Klansman David Duke, Buchanan chided the Republican Party for overreacting to Duke and his Nazi "costume": "Take a hard look at Duke's portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks." (syndicated column, 2/25/89) Trying to justify apartheid in South Africa, he denounced the notion that "white rule of a black majority is inherently wrong. Where did we get that idea? The Founding Fathers did not believe this." (syndicated column, 2/7/90) He referred admiringly to the apartheid regime as the "Boer Republic": "Why are Americans collaborating in a U.N. conspiracy to ruin her with sanctions?" (syndicated column, 9/17/89) On Immigrants And People Of Color "There is nothing wrong with us sitting down and arguing that issue that we are a European country." (Newsday, 11/15/92) Buchanan on affirmative action: "How, then, can the feds justify favoring sons of Hispanics over sons of white Americans who fought in World War II or Vietnam?" (syndicated column, 1/23/95) In a September 1993 speech to the Christian Coalition, Buchanan described multiculturalism as "an across-the-board assault on our Anglo-American heritage." "If we had to take a million immigrants in, say Zulus, next year, or Englishmen, and put them up in Virginia, what group would be easier to assimilate and would cause less problems for the people of Virginia?" ("This Week With David Brinkley," 1/8/91) On Jews Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory." (St. Louis Post Dispatch, 10/20/90) During the Gulf crisis: "There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East -- the Israeli defense ministry and its 'amen corner' in the United States." ("McLaughlin Group," 8/26/90) In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage...Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path." (The Guardian, 1/14/92) Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90) Buchanan's columns have run in the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist concoction. Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war criminals, because it was "running down 70-year-old camp guards." (New York Times, 4/21/87) Buchanan was vehement in pushing President Reagan -- despite protests -- to visit Germany's Bitburg cemetery, where Nazi SS troops were buried. At a White House meeting, Buchanan reportedly reminded Jewish leaders that they were "Americans first" -- and repeatedly scrawled the phrase "Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" in his notebook. Buchanan was credited with crafting Ronald Reagan's line that the SS troops buried at Bitburg were "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps." (New York Times, 5/16/85; New Republic, 1/22/96) After Cardinal O'Connor criticized anti-Semitism during the controversy over construction of a convent near Auschwitz, Buchanan wrote: "If U.S. Jewry takes the clucking appeasement of the Catholic cardinalate as indicative of our submission, it is mistaken. When Cardinal O'Connor of New York seeks to soothe the always irate Elie Wiesel by reassuring him 'there are many Catholics who are anti-Semitic'...he speaks for himself. Be not afraid, Your Eminence; just step aside, there are bishops and priests ready to assume the role of defender of the faith." (New Republic, 10/22/90) The Buchanan '96 campaign's World Wide Web site included an article blaming the death of White House aide Vincent Foster on the Israeli intelligence agency, Mossad -- and alleging that Foster and Hillary Clinton were Mossad spies. (The campaign removed the article after its existence was reported by a Jewish on-line news service; Jewish Telegraphic Agency, 2/21/96.) In his September 1993 speech to the Christian Coalition, Buchanan declared: "Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free." (ADL Report, 1994) On Gays In a 1972 memo to Richard Nixon, Buchanan referred to one of George McGovern's leading financial contributors as a "screaming fairy." (Newsday, 2/8/89) Buchanan has repeatedly used the term "sodomites," and has referred to gays as "the pederast proletariat." (Washington Post, 2/9/92) "Homosexuality involves sexual acts most men consider not only immoral, but filthy. The reason public men rarely say aloud what most say privately is they are fearful of being branded 'bigots' by an intolerant liberal orthodoxy that holds, against all evidence and experience, that homosexuality is a normal, healthy lifestyle." (syndicated column, 9/3/89) In a 1977 column urging a "thrashing" of gay groups, Buchanan wrote: "Homosexuality is not a civil right. Its rise almost always is accompanied, as in the Weimar Republic, with a decay of society and a collapse of its basic cinder block, the family." (New Republic, 3/30/92) "Gay rights activists seek to substitute, for laws rooted in Judeo-Christian morality, laws rooted in the secular humanist belief that all consensual sexual acts are morally equal. That belief is anti-biblical and amoral; to codify it into law is to codify a lie." (Buchanan column in Wall Street Journal, 1/21/93) On AIDS, Buchanan wrote in 1983: "The poor homosexuals -- they have declared war upon nature, and now nature is extracting an awful retribution (AIDS)." (Los Angeles Times, 11/28/86) Later that year, he demanded that New York City Ed Koch and New York Gov. Mario Cuomo cancel the Gay Pride Parade or else "be held personally responsible for the spread of the AIDS plague." "With 80,000 dead of AIDS, our promiscuous homosexuals appear literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide," Buchanan wrote in 1990 (syndicated column, 10/17/90). In the 1992 campaign, he declared: "AIDS is nature's retribution for violating the laws of nature." (Seattle Times, 7/31/93) On Women "Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." (syndicated column, 11/22/83) "The real liberators of American women were not the feminist noise-makers, they were the automobile, the supermarket, the shopping center, the dishwasher, the washer-dryer, the freezer." (Right from the Beginning, p. 149) "If a woman has come to believe that divorce is the answer to every difficult marriage, that career comes before children ... no democratic government can impose another set of values upon her." (Right from the Beginning, p. 341) ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
Now, Freak, tell me again how Buchanan doesn't single out people of color. I'm working on Graham and Robertson. ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
Here's some Robertson gems: On Other Religions: "When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'" --from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218. "If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt that they have no business administering government policies in a country that favors freedom and equality. ... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and the Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their suffering. ... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but abject fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made if they were ever put into practice." --Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 219. On Race & Discrimination (talking about apartheid South Africa) "I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92 "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."--Pat Robertson, 1993 interview with Molly Ivins On Women "NOW is saying that in order to be a woman, you've got to be a lesbian."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 12/3/97 "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians." -- Pat Robertson, fundraising letter, 1992 "I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/8/92 On Gays & Lesbians "Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things seem to go together."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/21/93 Other Stuff "How can there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers, communists, atheists, New Age worshipers of Satan, secular humanists, oppressive dictators, greedy money changers, revolutionary assassins, adulterers, and homosexuals are on top?"--Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p.227 "There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore." --Pat Robertson, November 1993 during an address to the American Center for Law and Justice ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
Couldn't find a lot on Gramm, but maybe we should ask Will. He wrote a pretty rough story about him for Mother Jones back in 1995. Here's the link: http://bsd.mojones.com/mother_jones/JA95/saletan2.html ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
Holy Smoley... I didn't realize that Will was/is a hellraiser. That's impressive, Will. For whatever it is worth, I have the utmost respect for Mother Jones. Jeff, Thanks for all of that work. I saw thefreak's question last night or earlier this morning and didn't feel I had the time for the task (I'm like a kid going back to school since I finally have a job again). Gosh, I knew Buchanan was a b*stard, but sheez. ------------------ Why don't you guys go down to the gym and pump each other
Jeff -- This is what I said: You provided quotes that could have been offensive specifically to not only blacks, but other groups as well. Jews and women were also mentioned, and I'm sure if you looked harder, you could find stuff about Asians and Hispanics as well. My point still is that blacks are the only ones voting 90% Democratic. Heck, anybody would be offended by a lot of that stuff, liberal, conservative, whatever, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't consider voting for George W Bush. I know I asked for quotes, but Robertson and Buchanan aren't even prominent members of the Republican party today (I do like that Buchanan actually says what he believes, though, even though I don't agree w/a lot of it). And why would anyone penalize another Republican for something those two said anyway? Another thing, who even knows that those things were said? Obviously you're very well-informed, but most voters aren't. You're going to tell me that anyone else knows what Pat Buchanan said in the 60s, and even if they did, wouldn't vote for a Republican because of it? Hell, Achebe didn't even know, and that guy's as informed as anyone. I still don't know why only blacks vote 90% democratic. Also, seeing as how many on this board seem to think that Clinton's appointing of minorities to various positions isn't just P.R., I think it's relevant to again point out that Buchanan's running mate is a black woman. [This message has been edited by TheFreak (edited September 10, 2000).]
I think that minorities view the Republican party as welcoming people like Robertson, Buchanan and Gramm with open arms in the party. While they may be outspoken, many others are not and may hold the same beliefs. Very few black people in this country could ever feel comfortable supporting a party that openly welcomes those who are racist or at least show racist leanings whether it be David Duke or Pat Buchanan. Add to that the fact that the vast majority of Republican leadership are white males and you have a dilemma. I think that Republicans say they want to be inclusive but they don't back it up with their actions. In this instance, they say the right things but don't do the right things. ------------------ Save Our Rockets and Comets SaveOurRockets.com
TheFreak: I see your point. I was originally trying to suggest that the conventions from 1992 and 1996 gave off an aura that simply was not inclusive. In their zeal, Republicans IMO used language that was largely divisive in their attacks against social policies. In their verbage about anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action, crime and even social welfare, Republicans drove a chasm between whites and minorities. It may have not been their intent, but I know that most of the choir that the Republicans spoke to in S.C. heard an intolerant message. The same chord that Robertson struck in his attacks against McCain earlier this year was the same that saw 'the welfare mother' as a poor black female driving a cadillac. That same crowd saw a commercial in 1988 put out by the Bush campaign that showed a black man w/ his prison profile on w/ a narrator intoning "do you want this man free on the street?". Sure it was Willie Horton. That was explained weeks later in press releases and revamped commercials. The initial message hit a chord w/ a scared racist South and it hit a chord w/ black Americans incensed that they had been (inadvertently or not) labeled criminals. Flash back to the '90s. Pat Robertson, an intolerant man gets on the platform. Pat Buchanan gets on the platform. These men were invited to speak for the Republicans. What line do you draw? Was David Duke's language to specific to be granted an invite? These men were invited to garner support by a very passionate, intolerant and sometimes even racist group of people (again I can only speak for S.C., which isn't quite as racist as Alabama and Miss. although it's pretty damn high up there). These men were invited to speak to a disinfranchised group of largely white males. Stir their passions... use divisive language, the whole drill. Flash back to the present. The answer as to why blacks are primarily democrats escapes me. At some point between Lincoln saying (paraphrase from the Douglas debates, 1858) "a country cannot survive half slave, half free" and the Civil Rights movement in the '60s (during which Strom Thurmond, a racist, left the Democratic party to become Dixiecrat, to later become a Republican) the parties stopped talking to the same constituency. Although it escapes me as to why many blacks joined the Democratic party, I am fairly confident that I can see the intolerance now that keeps blacks in the Democratic party. <HR> All that, or maybe it's just socio-economic reasons and populist rhetoric . What is the breakdown of income amongst African Americans? Do the incomes of Asian Americans more mirror whites? Are their voting habits similar? How does the Latino vote breakdown? Does anybody have a nifty chart? ------------------ Why don't you guys go down to the gym and pump each other
