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ABORTION

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by giddyup, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

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    I get it. So people who do IVF are mass murderers.
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    It isn't that they are "less than human," it is that they are less than born.
     
  3. giddyup

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    lol, countless people have given up their "right to life" in the name of personal freedom.
     
  6. Jayzers_100

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    Bump. Why not? :)

    Just seeing if anyone's views have changed in the past couple of years
     
  7. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Nope. Abortion still isn't murder, fetuses still aren't babies, and Republican legislators still pay lip service to protecting life but do little to protect poor children that are actually born. Same story.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Nope. Abortion is still murder in a sense, but it's justifiable in that you can't deny the benefit that it has to society. If we could incentivize abortion by paying parents to kill their children rather than have them, it would likely make for a better world.
     
  9. dharocks

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    My views have remained consistent for the past 20 years:

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  10. Commodore

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  11. sugrlndkid

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    ^^^Seeing fetal remains was one of the hardest things to see...especially after a D&C.
     
  12. Commodore

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    beyond the loss of human life, one wonders what tearing limbs one by one and then crushing skulls does to a "doctor's" soul
     
  13. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    It hurts tremendously I'm sure, in a way we can never imagine. What makes it worse is reading and hearing that he/she is a murderer when he/she is just doing something someone else wants but doesn't want to do themselves. Just like when they sever a gangrenous body part, or pull the plug on a patient.
     
  14. Commodore

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    The child wants to be torn limb from limb?
     
  15. Commodore

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  16. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Lets be real here, 99.9% of you don't care about abortion you are just playing the conservative/liberal role you were so successful programmed to do.
     
  17. Northside Storm

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    My opinion hasn't changed one iota (but that's not the point of this forum is it?)

    "Pro-life" people are big government pushers who want to reason at the lowest common denominator of moral shame, and who lose to data, reason, and information. They need to restrict themselves to Youtube videos because they have nothing else. Ironically, some of them will claim they're free libertarians--but their thinking is confined and constrained by irrational nonsense. They cannot be considered freethinkers in any sense of the word.

    Western Europe is more generous with its abortion support--and coincidentally has less abortions.

    Meanwhile, places where "pro-life" people hold sway tend to have an alarming high rate of both murders and abortions, paradoxically (Latin America wut wut).

    I don't think doctors feel bad about providing a needed medical service in safe settings. Neither should they. Want to stem abortions? Help women acheive better socioeconomic status instead of blustering with bulls**t (yes, this has been proven to be correlated with reduced abortion rates).

    I also don't think researchers feel bad that their work has helped saved millions of lives, reduced infant mortality, and extended life expectancy--while overall reducing abortions of both the induced and spontaneous kind.

    In conclusion:

    If you're "pro-life", you're just making excuses for your own moral revulsion, and not doing one lick to contribute to anything. I hope the exercise clears up your inner demons out, but I really do hope you all continue to stay away from actual policy/data.
     
  18. Haymitch

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    Are you a 0.1%er?
     
  19. Commodore

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    Why is it needed?
     
  20. Northside Storm

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    Why are drugs needed?

    I'm not in the business of dictating personal moral choices over anybody else through government force and the sheer threat of imprisonment/irrational policy, and if you were a true libertarian, you wouldn't either.

    Want to reduce abortions rather than cause moral panic? Look to Switzerland. Rock-bottom abortion rates. Great contraceptive access. Empowered women. Access to abortions-on demand.
     
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