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Woj: Sources: Jimmy Butler interested in pursuing short-term offer sheet

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Carl Herrera, Jun 16, 2015.

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  1. basketballholic

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    What a shocker!
     
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    The key for the Bulls is Butler and Rose have to work out their differences or he is a goner. They really messed up by not locking him up for cheap last summer. That was a humongous blunder.
     
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    Farking Lakers...
     
  4. basketballholic

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    There's more to it than just Rose. It's money and the whole coaching thing as well.

    Butler was one of the guys I kept saying would be more likely to want to sign a short term 2-year deal with an opt-out after next season so he could maximize his earnings.
     
  5. Carl Herrera

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    5 yrs @ 190 million max.....wow and I thought NBA tickets were expensive now. :eek:
     
  7. Carl Herrera

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    I would not be too envious of the Lakers. The free agents may well be using them as leverage in negotiation with other teams. In the case of Jimmy Butler, in particular, the most likely scenario is still that he stays with the Bulls since the Bulls have the right to match all deals. Conversation between Butler and outside teams simply allow Butler to negotiate terms that are more favorable to his future earning potential.

    The Lakers situation remind me of that of the Chicago Bulls after Jordan, Pippen and the whole crew left in 1998. They were a part of the conversation for every big name free agent (Tracy McGrady, Tim Duncan, Grant Hill, etc.) but never landed any of them and had to sign the likes of Ron Mercer and Eddie Robinson. Free agents would speak with the Bulls because they are a big market team with money to spend, but they didn't really want to play on bad teams.

    The Lakers are mentioned in a bunch of rumors now because they are in a big, attractive market and have cap space. They are a convenient threat to use as leverage against other teams. Whether any of them sincerely want to be a Laker and play with Kobe's remains for another year is a whole other question.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    The Bulls could have had him until 2019 at only 4 yrs, $48 million.

    Reminds me of the Suns and Joe Johnson (5 yrs, $40 vs. $45 million) and OKC and Harden (4 yrs, $52 vs $58 million).
     
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    You keep saying this, but Butler turned down a four year extension worth more than 10 million per. Don't know if 48 million for four would've got it done.
     
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    Will the Bullies give in to an SnT?
     
  11. BimaThug

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    If the Bulls just extend Butler a Maximum Qualifying Offer (5 years, no option years), then by rule, no other team can offer him a deal of less than 3 years (no option years). That's the easiest way for Chicago to avoid Butler hitting free agency again until 2018 at the earliest.
     
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    Isn't it pretty much common knowledge that Chi will match?
     
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    If Butler wants out of Chicago he has no reason to sign a 5-year offer. He'll sign the qualifying offer and walk next summer. And he'll make the same amount of money over 5 years as he would have signing that big 5-year deal this year.

    And that's the rub. He's already proven he'll walk away from guaranteed dollars. If he's willing to take the risk (and he's already proven he has) then he has no incentive to sign the 5-year deal if he wants to go to another situation.

    I think ideally Butler wants a 1+1 deal so he can control his destiny and force the Bulls to trade him if he wants out next year. He signs a 1+1 and his Birds rights are still there when he is traded. It's a straight power play. The players union, including Michelle Roberts, Lebron James (who is going to re-up on a 1+1 deal), and Chris Paul are all encouraging this kind of power play.
     
  14. A_3PO

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    From the article:

    The Bulls understand that Butler had the staying power to turn down a four-year, $44 million extension (four-year, $48 million would’ve gotten the Bulls a deal, sources said) during an exclusive negotiating window in October
     
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    Re-read my prior post. Chicago extending a Max Qualifying Offer takes the "Chandler Parsons" type offer sheets off the table. No other team could offer a 1+1 deal, either.
     
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    you mean cable/satellite packages. this increase in player wages are coming out of the new tv money. if tickets go up considerably it won't because of player contracts, it will be because the owners want them to go up.
     
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    Do the Lakers have the cap space to offer both Butler & Green max deals with signing bonuses?
     
  18. Airdough

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    If the Bulls extend a max QO, then does that mean Butler can't go the Greg Monroe route?
     
  19. dobro1229

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    Players across the league TRYING to opt for one year deals should be no shocker to anyone. The players association sent out memos two summers ago to players instructing them to take contracts that could expire in the summer of 2016. Anyone trying to pronounce themselves as an insider prophet because of this is just looking for attention.

    -Kevin Love
    -Al Jefferson
    -Butler
    -Tristan Thompson
    -Lebron
    -Monroe
    -Draymond Green (maybe)
    -D. Jordan
    -M. Gasol
    -Dragic
    -T. Harris
    -B. Knight
    -Aldridge
    -W. Matthews
    -Kawhi


    This is the list of free agents that will all look strongly at the options for one year deal. Some guys could get above market offers (T. Thompson, Harris, Green etc.) than they would in normal years and take a guaranteed long term deal.

    However I expect all of these guys to weight significantly and potentially push for one year deals that can expire next Summer. If they feel like they are still max players or close to it a year from now than I think they absolutely will at least try to do the one year deal thing.

    Bima's explanation above though makes this challenging to do with Restricted free agents. The Bulls OFFERING up a max extension to Jimmy Butler this Summer seems like a no brainer. Jimmy Butler trying to persuade the Bulls NOT to sort of makes sense as well. I'm sure he'd love to get the Bulls to allow a team to make him a one year deal that they just match, and then hit the free agent market next Summer to get a max deal under the new salary cap. Bulls or no Bulls I don't think it matters to Butler and his agent. This is about the cash. For the Bulls I think they should absolutely offer him the max extension and while this may piss him off, you have to look out for your own interests and retain your assets.
     

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