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How is Alexey Shved's PER 19.7?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bmd, Dec 19, 2014.

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  1. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
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    This. I used to think PER was a good measurement of a player's overall production. I have come to despise it now. I wish they just threw it to the garbage can. It tells you nothing useful about how good a player is.
     
  2. Rox>Mavs

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    Yeah this sounds like you just described KPap
     
  3. baubo

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    All per-minute stats would look stupid if you think of it as a measurement of overall production.
     
  4. Blake

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    Sounds like Papanikolaou. I like this. Morey has a knack for finding talented pg's
     
  5. rox4lyf

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    I've watched him play a number of times and yes he is an enigma kind of like Lin type of inconsistency. Some games he gets hot from deep others he can't hit anything. He's got good size for a wing and decent handles but can get bullied by stronger players. He plays soft at times and his bb iq isn't as high as Papa. I don't expect him to play a lot of minutes on a contending team. With that being said he hasn't gotten the opportunity to play on a contender so maybe the change of scenery will do him good. He has talent, just needs a boost in confidence.
     
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    I Hate when people say things like this without offering up alternative stats they thing are more meaningful.
    Everyone knows per has flaws, especially when a player does not play many minutes. He could be playing a lot in garbage time or against back ups and third stringers a lot because philly gets blown out lot. Nobody takes him or that team seriously and they underestimate what he can do.


    If you understand how per works it is not garbage. Not good, but not garbage.
     
  7. Haymitch

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    Shved >>>> Lerbron.
     
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    Also, he is in a contract year so even when he is getting blown out he is looking to get his own. Evan turners numbers looked great in philly as well. Even covington looked like an all star a couple of games.
     
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    Scouting report from ESPN Insider:

    Ouch.
     
  10. durvasa

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    He's averaging 21 points and 6 assists per 36 minutes played. Doesn't that pretty much explain it?
     
  11. dharocks

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    I'd like to propose a new rule: How about unless you actually know how PER is calculated, don't just dismiss it as a garbage state because it gives you an unexpected result?

    Shved's posting a good steal rate, he's putting up 5.8 AST/36 with only 2.3 TO, and his high volume of 3PAs and FTAs largely offset his low FG% (which is still a career high). It should be noted that he's done all of this in 285 MP, so sample size is a major issue. He'll regress.

    Anyway, Alexey's got some intriguing skills, but he really can't shoot the ball at all. I'm not expecting him to make much of an impact.

    EDIT: FYI, here's a quick and dirty formula for calculating PER:

    (((FGM*85.91)+(3PM*51.757)+(FTM*46.845)+(STL*53.897)+(BLK*39.19)+(ORB*39.19)+(AST*34.667)+(DRB*14.707)-(PF*17.174)-((FTA-FTM)*20.091)-((FGA-FGM)*39.19)-(TOV*53.897))*(1/MP)) * Pace Adjustment Multiplier
     
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    Schved-Heads Unite! LOL
     
  13. glimmertwins

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    ...that makes me wonder if Morey's squad is looking at the larger sample size of his play in Russia/national team and making some evaluations based on that too. As harsh as that scouting report is, Minnesota and Philly are two of the worst franchises in the league so I'm not totally going to rule out poor coaching/org structure. Bad teams seem to be able to take even the biggest can't miss prospects and make them underperform.
     
  14. don grahamleone

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    When he plays PG, it's even higher than that 19.7 number. I think it was 23.1. :)
     
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    The main problem I have with PER is that it values offensive production too much and doesn't account for a how good a player is on the defensive end.
     
  16. jaguarthis

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    You can't easily find out why Alexey so high on some stats because he played for 76sand you know what I mean...Watching how fantastic Coventon could play on this team and you'll probably understand every player on the court can play ******* good if the coach gives him a quantity of chance and, oh, regardless of the WARP
     

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