Donatas Motiejunas now a restricted free agent, no qualifying offer for Terrence Jones

The QO language is explained by Coons more thoroughly than the short bit dobro1229 posted.

• After Oct 1st, DMo can not longer sign the QO
• From Oct 1st to March 1st, all RFA rules still apply, just without a QO on the table anymore. DMo can still sign offer sheets with other teams with Rockets having Right of First Refusal, still, or he can sign any contract with the Rockets.
• After March 1st, DMo can only sign a contract with the Rockets.
• After the season is over, if he still is not signed, Rockets can extend another QO prior to the 2017 free agency season, and he remains an RFA.

Morey has no reason whatsoever to extend the QO past Oct 1st, that's why Coon says it rarely happens.

 

Yep. My bad. I misspoke.

 

Rockets have DMO by the ballz

 

Of course he doesn't want to lose him for nothing. Why do you think he traded him to Detroit in the first place? Obviously because they thought D-Mo would cost too much to bring back, and maybe they thought they could do better with their money in FA (20 mil per for Ryan Anderson... ehhh...).

Signing a 1 yr QO is something that would happen as an alternative to losing him in the case where they couldn't come to an agreement that THE ROCKETS deemed too expensive for their taste. If the option is resend the QO and let him walk for nothing or let him sign the QO to take a chance on himself for next year, the Rockets obviously take the cheap year of service and assume he's walking next Summer. Not sure why that's so confusing.

But my only point is worrying about trades two years from now with a theoretical contract that might or might not happen is putting the cart in front of the horse. Sure you think about the future with any move, but step one is to spend the next month ready to react to whatever D-Mo's camp, and other teams do that will force you to make decisions. I'm sure they are preparing for EVERY scenario including D-Mo's camp to come to the Rockets and threaten to sign the QO.

Obviously if the Rockets are putting a major cap on what they think he's worth in this market they are banking pretty heavily that he's either just going to be serviceable or worse. Then they are saying to themselves that getting a cheap year for a backup on a one year deal is a good bargain. Keep in mind that this is a team that thinks they are competing for a title... not a 5 year rebuild. Like when they gave up 4 draft picks for the expiring contracts of Prigioni and Brewer a couple of years ago, don't forget that they also place value on players that can help now in any role. Not every move is treated with a build for the future process.

However if by any chance they do think he's going to be more than that for this team... obviously they offer or match whatever the market gives D-Mo over the next month, and this conversation is moot. I think its really yet to be seen as to whether or not the Rockets still put stock in D-Mo's longterm viability as a high impact starter.... especially given that they were scared off by free agency this year enough to trade him for a pick, and turn around and give Anderson 20 mil a year.... not really a ringing endorsement for D-Mo.

 

Yep, that is why I think he signs the QO.

DD

 

You are right that the trade came with cap flexibility, but it also stood on its own. Trading DMo for a first-rounder was market. You can see that in other draft day trades. Marco Belinelli went for a 22nd pick, and Thaddeus Young went for a 20th pick and future 2nd rounder. At the time of the DMo trade, it was expected that the Detroit pick would be even better than those.

DMo's cap hold was $5.8m. That didn't stop us...so not sure the point here.

Just because we spent our caproom doesn't mean we let a Bird Rights guy walk for nothing, versus keeping him for his play and for trade flexibility, this year and next.

The rest of our disconnect seems primarily embedded in the basic question, "How much do you sign DMo for." Rescinding the QO is no longer an option...that was a contingency in the event of larger hauls like Horford and Bazemore, with an Anderson, etc, where Morey needed to juggle spending room.

I agree. And the threat has some teeth, because it makes him untradeable. The threat can move up our bid, yes. And ideally he doesn't sign it. It's a matter of preference. Losing to an offer that's too high is worst. Next is the QO. Next is a match. Best option is Morey signs him outright.

But yeah, that's just my opinion, primarily because I don't see too many good outcomes in a QO. And I'm not as afraid of our contract situations as much as others. But don't say the I word, please.

 

It is very clear that both parties are not seeing eye to eye. I just believe they will go their separate ways. I'm pretty sure Dmo wants to start. So that might be the kickers here because we all know Anderson will be starting.

Now it is just crazy to me that no one has made him an offe . Shoots there wasn't any rumors of any teams being that interested. Some of you experts thought this man was going to be on top of the peaking order. Realistically speaking, what really happened or what's really going on?

 

Maybe there're teams with no cap space more interested in D.Mo than teams with cap space, and they're trying to work on various sign & trade scenarios...don't know, or maybe it's just another Bledsoe situation.

 

Does anyone remember if the Bledsoe situation was as quiet and newsless as this. I know a flurry of trade offers happened in the last week or so. And rumors he was threatening to sign the QO.

I recall the Landry situation being completely quiet. It lasted until last weeks, too.

 

Bledsoe had other offers, one team being the Rockets, if I am not mistaken.

 

Yes, and a Minnesota SnT at the end went public. My question: did the Minn SnT come out at the end or was it news throughout the summer. As for Rockets offers, Morey usually doesn't ever go public, did he? Or was our "offer" more a cf-sourced thing, since we were talking about him for months, even before the summer. Should be easy to find a Rockets offer thread in the GARM, if it was news throughout the NBA.

 

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This is a renewal of talks that have stretched over the past several months. The teams had discussions involving a Kevin Love trade that would involve Bledsoe but never made serious traction on a deal.
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GARM thread:
[Cyberx News] Rockets among teams trying to trade for Bledsoe

 

Yeah that's all I could find a month ago too about other team offers, just Minny at the 11th hour - Sept 19th news. Given that Bledsoe was much more of a big target than DMo, that confirms how quiet it was, relatively.

I don't count unlikely Love trades "that gained no traction" as offers here. Ppl were always talking Love trades. and cybrex news was Aug 20th. Again showing a late rush. And said Morey only had weak interest. Doesn't mention any offer sheet talk

Still can't find rumor of early summer actual offer sheet numbers except that late one from Minny. Compare that to this year's news about Bazemore and the like.

 

Bad back. Never produced at a high level. Flashes of great play but never consistent. Pretty obvious why no one has signed him. Hell, Detroit voided a trade for him so perhaps the back is worse than we know

 

DMo plus other salary for Chandler/Bledsoe is a possibility. But we'll have to sweeten the pot.

 

Ariza, at least. Maybe Codman and his Suns sources could back this up. He did mention Chandler before.

 

DMO/Brewer/KJ/Harrell/future first is probably what I would give up for Bled and Chandler. I guess that essentially puts us all in on the next couple years.

Capela/Chandler/Nene as needed
Anderson/Nene(love moving Nene to a bit more PF next to CC), Ariza (small)
Ariza/Dekker
Harden/Gordon
Bledsoe/Bev

 

^^ beasley as backup pf or sf? im good with that team

 

That team looks good, makes Capela expendable also as time goes on.

 

Oh yea I forgot Beas. CC may end up being our most valuable trade asset by the middle of the year and I agree we would enjoy the flexibility to trade him. If Anderson is starting though, I think I like Nene as a backup PF more than Beas.