Crane: next talks in Jan re AAA team to Houston area

Who needs it? Bring on Round Rock, baby!

 

That sucks. More traffic.

 

Oklahoma City RedHawks will be Los Angeles Dodgers' Triple-A affiliate

[rQUOTEr]The Los Angeles Dodgers will be shifting their Triple-A affiliation from Albuquerque to Oklahoma City next season, according to multiple sources.

A group affiliated with the Dodgers is on the brink of purchasing the local pro baseball team. The group is in the final stages of contract negotiations that began several weeks ago with Mandalay, which announced earlier this year it would be selling its five minor league baseball properties.

The ownership group that is purchasing the team and the selling price are unknown. RedHawks president and general manager Michael Byrnes declined to comment on the Dodgers-to-OKC report or the new ownership group that will be purchasing the team.

According to sources, Mandalay will sell the RedHawks for between $22 and $28 million.

One possibility is that Dodgers’ part-owner Peter Guber, chairman and CEO of Mandalay Entertainment Group, will be involved with the Oklahoma City franchise ownership group but possibly not to the extent St. Louis went this past year when the Cardinals officially purchased their Triple-A affiliate in Memphis.

The Dodgers reportedly have been searching for a city more suitable to evaluate their top prospects. Starting last season, the Dodgers have required Isotopes officials to place baseballs in a humidor to try to counteract the effects of the thin, dry air, Albuquerque being 5,300 feet above sea level.

The Dodgers have been affiliated with Albuquerque for a total of 44 years, but only for the past six consecutive years in addition to a previous 38-year run (1963-2000). After being without a team for two years, Albuquerque rejoined the PCL as the Miami Marlins’ Triple-A affiliate for six years (2003-2008) before hooking up with the Dodgers for the past six years.

The Modesto Bee has reported several major league teams might switch their PCL Triple-A affiliates, stating Oakland plans to move from Sacramento to Nashville’s new park and the Giants will then move their affiliate from Fresno to Sacramento.

When those moves take place, the Astros and Brewers would be the two teams looking for Triple-A cities with Albuquerque and Fresno strong candidates with voids to fill. There also have been reports that the Rockies are debating whether to continue their deal with Colorado Springs.

This is the fourth season that the RedHawks have been affiliated with the Astros. Oklahoma City was the Triple-A affiliate of the Texas Rangers for 28 seasons, including the first 13 with the RedHawks, before the Rangers moved their Triple-A team to Round Rock, Texas.

Mandalay announced earlier this year they would be selling all five minor league baseball properties this year.

The first sale was for the Double-A Texas League Frisco RoughRiders, who were sold to former Rangers CEO Chuck Greenberg for a reported record $30 million.

The record didn’t last long. Mandalay’s second sale was the Dayton Dragons, the Cincinnati Reds’ Midwest League Class A affiliate, that sold for a reported $40 million to Palisades Arcadia Baseball, whose main investor Michael Savit, involved with the Memphis Grizzlies.

Some claim the $30 and $40 million figures might have been slightly embellished, while many sources said those sales prices were extremely accurate.

Mandalay still has two additional baseball teams they plan to sale, including half-interest in the Scranton-Wilkes Barre RailRiders, a Yankees’ Triple-A team in the International League and the Double. The final sale will be the Double-A Eastern League Erie Seawolves.[/rQUOTEr]

 

in b4 sugarland becomes our new spot

 

Just a suggestion: San Antonio Missions

Currently AA affiliate of the Padres until 2014. Local officials have expressed desire to move up to AAA ball or MLB (don't see MLB happening though). Have seen some stories indicating possible interest in building a Downtown ballpark, a la Charlotte Knights BB&T Park.

Another Option: Move Corpus Christi up to AAA ball. This move worked for Ryan/Sanders moving Round Rock up from AA in 2006. Then buy Sugar Land and make them your AA club.

 

I spoke with Luhnow a couple years ago and he said that San Antonio was a strong candidate for the AAA team. ...but that was before the whole Conroe/Woodlands discussion heated up so it may have changed.

Corpus isn't a AAA town, in my opinion. For AAA, I'd prefer 1) Round Rock 2) San Antonio 3) New Orleans 4) Conroe/Woodlands

 

SA would make a great city for it but it's not that easy. They have to buy a current AAA club and "move" it to SA. That's how both incarnations of the Express happened. Ryan-Sanders first bought the AA team in Jackson, MS and moved it to Round Rock. Then, they bought the AAA team in Edmonton and moved it to RR, while moving the AA team to Corpus.

SA doesn't support the Missions at all. Maybe a downtown stadium and an affiliation with the Astros (SA has always been much more an Astros town than rangers) could fix that. I'd still prefer Round Rock because you know it will be supported...plus I live minutes from the park.

 

1) Round Rock
2) Round Rock
3) Round Rock
4) Round Rock

 

Of course l want Round Rock back. But I have to say, if that couldn't happen I'd love San Antonio. The Astros have got to get back in that central Texas market!!

 

Put it out in the burbs.....a venue like the Skeeters would be ideal.

 

It would be awesome if they could get back to Round Rock. That was always a fun over night road trip. SA would not be bad now that I'm more River Walk age than 6th street. Sugar Land/Conroe/Woodlands seems a little to close to home for my taste, but I'd be ok with it.

 

oh man, I so feel you on that.

 

I just don't see how Houston/Ryan/Sanders/etc. can possibly screw up the Austin market again. It makes too much sense.

 

Don't know where else to put; re: possible new Spring Training home

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Artists rendering of a possible 2-team spring training complex for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> in WPB. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a> <a href="http://t.co/8wJu4ISSMI">pic.twitter.com/8wJu4ISSMI</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510043234492358656">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>More artists renderings of proposed <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> spring training complex in West Palm. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a> <a href="http://t.co/In8EgzMp7S">pic.twitter.com/In8EgzMp7S</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510043552240652288">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>More artists renderings of proposed <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> spring training complex in West Palm. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a> <a href="http://t.co/vuKWOy2C6b">pic.twitter.com/vuKWOy2C6b</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510043688593260545">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>More artists renderings of proposed <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> spring training complex in West Palm. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a> <a href="http://t.co/E5HWKfYvyb">pic.twitter.com/E5HWKfYvyb</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510043805618548737">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> spring training complex drawings include a stadium, 12 full practice fields and what appears to be 2 football fields.</p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510048930823147520">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Packed Palm Beach County TDC meeting includes <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> owner Jim Crane and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> general partner Art Fuccillo <a href="http://t.co/MudoA1Zh0t">pic.twitter.com/MudoA1Zh0t</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510052800609669120">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Even before the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> presentation, there is some discussion over whether or not the TDC supports a second stadium. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510054423482355712">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>It's being stressed that a second stadium in West Palm Beach would keep the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marlins?src=hash">#Marlins</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash">#Cardinals</a> in Jupiter. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510054848147234817">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The Palm Beach County Commissioners already have said they're interested in a second stadium. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510055296937779200">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Palm Beach County Sports Commission Executive Director George Linley said spring training is a tourism initiative. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510056049358168064">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>61 percent of spring training tickets are purchased by out-of-state fans, Linley said. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510056660967391232">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>2009 State of Florida study says spring training generates $752.3 million in spending. Each team's economic impact is $31-$63 million.</p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510057125566222336">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>If <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> come to West Palm Beach, &quot;We become a mecca for baseball here in the state,&quot; Linley said. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510058297425416192">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> plan includes 11 soccer fields, Linley said. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510058517353738240">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> general council Giles Kibbe projects a $61 million revenue to Palm Beach County, if stadium is built. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510059357347000320">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mets?src=hash">#Mets</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash">#Cardinals</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mets?src=hash">#Mets</a> all have representatives in attendance at Palm Beach County TDC meeting, Gibbe said. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510060164804657152">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Gibbe projects a 2-team stadium could have an economic impact of more than $120 million, annually. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510060825109749760">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> park is to be very fan friendly with an open concourse. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510062550898073600">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Plans include 11 multi-purpose fields for soccer, field hockey and lacrosse. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510062700433375232">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> general partner Art Fuccillo said the teams looked at 15-20 sites before deciding on the Haverhill Rd./45 St. location. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510063311539277824">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Multi-purpose fields would be used for parking during spring training. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510063760963153921">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>&quot;We have designed it to become the most fan-friendly facility in Major League Baseball,&quot; Fuccillo said. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510064142456090626">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Proposed stadium includes a lot of shaded seating. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510064333095587840">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Fuccillo says fans will be able to watch teams in the batting cages for free. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mets?src=hash">#Mets</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marlins?src=hash">#Marlins</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash">#Cardinals</a> do not allow this. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510064706208292864">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Cost for the proposed stadium is $140,286,414 <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510064958172708864">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Fuccillo says the cost for the proposed 2-team facility is cheaper than the 3 latest 2-team facilities built in Arizona. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510065324704530432">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Fuccillo says the teams will pay rent and cover all maintenance costs (approx. 3.7 million annually). <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510065658537586689">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Fuccillo: &quot;We very much would like this to be our home.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510066088189501442">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> are asking for the 1st and 4th cent from the bed tax. Bed tax is 5 cents. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510066635466498048">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>One TDC member says he would like to see a stadium, but &quot;the money's not there. ... It will bankrupt us eventually.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510070320578179072">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Gibbe says the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Braves?src=hash">#Braves</a> currently don't face the same travel concerns that the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> face. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510071522808299520">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Palm Beach County would like to extend the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marlins?src=hash">#Marlins</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash">#Cardinals</a> lease to match the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a> lease if stadium is built.</p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510072223160610816">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Mayor Priscilla A. Taylor, TDC chairman, kindly just asked the council to be careful with the word &quot;bankrupt.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510073054907871232">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>TDC member Mami H. Kisner said she feels they should take more time before making a recommendation. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510074293892685824">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>TDC member Joel Paige says they need to make a recommendation to the PBC County Commissioners before their workshop on Sept. 23. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510075791687036929">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>TDC member Joel Paige says they should recommend approval of the funding. <a href="https://twitter.com/TCPalm">@TCPalm</a></p>&mdash; Jon Santucci (@JonSantucci) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSantucci/status/510076402528698369">September 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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As an aside...tweeting is not necessarily a good vehicle for getting information out in a readable format when there is so much to digest.

 

lol...Santucci should've done a live chat/blog. Would have been much easier to read.




edit: bobrek's post popped up as I posted mine. Glad I'm not alone in this line of thought.

 

I'd love to Astro's AAA back in Austin! And then get there MLB games available on my local cable outlet again, as well.

 

Silly question: would the location of this new stadium hypothetically be close to the tri-rail or new rail line that's being build in Florida? Would be neat to get to spring training games without having to rent a car.

 

My Father-in-Law just bought a house near Kissimmee. Really wish we'd stay there.

 

Good news: Round Rock appears to be back.
Bad news: Not until possibly 2019.

Until then, ???

Astros options for Class AAA team: Colorado Springs and Fresno