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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Buck Turgidson, Jul 23, 2014.

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  1. Buck Turgidson

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    #1 Buck Turgidson, Jul 23, 2014
  2. No Worries

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    Position players rarely get drafted, so DDJ might be safe.
     
    #2 No Worries, Jul 23, 2014
  3. juicystream

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    I still don't think you risk him, especially since he can play multiple positions (even if it isn't well).
     
    #3 juicystream, Jul 23, 2014
  4. Buck Turgidson

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    Exactly. Just on talent alone someone would take a flyer on him; he'd be easy to stash for a year as the 25th man, CF/LF/PR/emergency 2Bman.
     
    #4 Buck Turgidson, Jul 23, 2014
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    ...and looking at the 40-man, I counted about 10-15 guys that it wouldn't be a disaster to let go (or trade if possible).
     
    #5 Buck Turgidson, Jul 23, 2014
  6. Nook

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    No way, someone would certainly draft him.
     
    #6 Nook, Jul 23, 2014
  7. juicystream

    juicystream Contributing Member

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    I'd also protect:

    Gustave
    Ronald Torreyes

    and still giver consideration to Carlos Perez even though he made it through last year. I personally would be inclined to take a backup catcher in the Rule V, though teams don't seem to be.
     
    #7 juicystream, Jul 23, 2014
  8. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Hopefully, they won't risk those guys at the expense of Veres, Cisnero, Krauss, Bass, Chapman and, as things are going now, Albers and Crain.
     
    #8 bobrek, Jul 23, 2014
  9. juicystream

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    Veras & Crain will be FAs and not on the 40-man roster. Albers has a team option.

    Of course, Crain & Cisnero don't currently count towards our 40 man roster today, so we really have 42 players. If you subtract Veras & Crain, you are left with 40 guys that would be on our roster.

    Downs & Guzman are easy decisions to be gone.
     
    #9 juicystream, Jul 23, 2014
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    Personally, I wouldn't protect DDJ. But admittedly, I don't think he has a ML future outside of a role player and we have plenty of those.
     
    #10 studogg, Jul 23, 2014
  11. No Worries

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    DDJ is likely to repeat AA, so his star is starting to lose some of its shine.
     
    #11 No Worries, Jul 23, 2014
  12. Buck Turgidson

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    Just some perspective: he's 3.2 years younger than the average position player in the Texas League, and 3.5 years younger than the average pitcher (9th youngest player in the TL at the start of the season). Only 4 of his 350 plate appearances have come against pitchers younger than him.

    At the same age, and after 4 years of college, Kenny Lofton was putting up a .214/.286/.273 line at low-A SS ball (he spent the entire next season at A-/A level).

    He's by no means a sure-fire anything and he has struggled a bit this year, but you don't give up guys that young who have all-world speed to go along with good (esp for his age) on-base ability.
     
    #12 Buck Turgidson, Jul 23, 2014
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    He was still a Texas League All-star, has a great walk rate, and plenty of speed.

    I wouldn't say DDJ has lost shine, unless you just rated him extremely high (like MLB.com did). He's a Top 10 prospect in probably ever organization, and would be a top 150ish prospect overall.
     
    #13 juicystream, Jul 23, 2014
  14. tellitlikeitis

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    I will go ahead and say that Ariel Ovando will get plucked in the minor league phase.
     
    #14 tellitlikeitis, Jul 23, 2014
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    Will be interesting to see how trades play into all of our minor league depth.

    We can question the ceiling of some of our top prospects and their development an all of that

    But our quality depth can't be questioned
     
    #15 The Beard, Jul 23, 2014
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    You are already seeing it. Luhnow traded some of the AA and AAA limited guys for guys in A; which allowed for promotions.
     
    #16 Nook, Jul 23, 2014
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    Ovando is very close to not playing professional baseball.
     
    #17 Nook, Jul 23, 2014
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    So as not to derail the minor league thread, and I have nothing better to do this morning.

    I can't predict trades, so I'm just gonna assume for this discussion the only guys we lose are guys we waive.

    24 Locks

    The MLB locks (position players) 10 Players
    C Jason Castro
    1B Jonathan Singleton
    2B Jose Altuve
    SS Marwin Gonzalez
    SS Jonathan Villar
    3B Matt Dominguez
    LF Jake Marisnick
    CF Dexter Fowler
    RF George Springer
    DH Chris Carter

    The MLB locks (pitchers) (7 Players)
    SP Dallas Keuchel
    SP Collin McHugh
    SP Brett Olberholtzer
    SP Scott Feldman
    SP Mike Foltynewicz
    RP Chad Qualls
    RP Tony Sipp

    Top Prospect Locks (7 Players)
    SP Nick Tropeano
    SP Michael Feliz
    SP Tommy Shirley
    SP Vincent Velasquez
    SP Luis Cruz
    OF Delino DeShields
    OF Domingo Santana

    40 Man Guys We Let Go
    OF Alex Presley
    OF Marc Krauss
    1B Jesus Guzman
    SS Gregorio Petit
    SP David Martinez
    SP Rudy Owens
    RP Darin Downs
    RP Paul Clemens
    RP Josh Zeid
    RP Kevin Chapman
    RP Jesse Crain (Free Agent)
    RP Jose Veras (Free Agent)

    Question Marks (Current 40 Man)
    OF Robbie Grossman
    C Carlos Corporan
    C Max Stassi
    OF L J Hoes
    SP Brad Peacock
    SP Jake Buchanan
    SP Alex White
    SP Asher Wojiechowski
    RP Anthony Bass
    RP Josh Fields
    RP Matt Albers (team option)
    RP Jose Cisnero

    Question Marks (Non 40 Man)
    C Carlos Perez
    C Rene Garcia
    IF Ronald Torreyes
    1B Telvin Nash
    3B Matt Duffy
    3B Jonathan Meyer
    OF Danry Vasquez
    SP Colton Cain
    SP David Rollins
    RP Jason Stoffel
    RP Richard Rodriguez
    RP Rhiner Cruz
    RP Chris Devenski
    RP Reymin Guduan
    RP Jandel Gustave
    RP Gonzalo Sanudo

    Guys I would protect (10 players)
    C Max Stassi
    OF Robbie Grossman
    SP Alex White
    SP Asher Wojiechowski
    RP Matt Albers (team option)
    3B Matt Duffy
    SP David Rollins
    SP Jake Buchanan
    RP Jandel Gustave
    RP Josh Fields

    Guys I would risk/let go
    C Carlos Corporan
    SP Brad Peacock
    OF L J Hoes
    RP Anthony Bass
    RP Jose Cisnero
    C Carlos Perez
    C Rene Garcia
    IF Ronald Torreyes
    1B Telvin Nash
    3B Jonathan Meyer
    OF Danry Vasquez
    SP Colton Cain
    RP Jason Stoffel
    RP Richard Rodriguez
    RP Rhiner Cruz
    RP Chris Devenski
    RP Reymin Guduan
    RP Gonzalo Sanudo

    This would leave 6 roster spots to play with or leave open, I really don't see the crunch being too bad. While i was coming up with the guys we need to protect, I was hardpressed to find more than 10 that I would deem to be tough losses. Granted losing any prospect is a bad thing, but given our depth i thought it would be worse.
     
    #18 sealclubber1016, Aug 17, 2014
  19. bigtexxx

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    Might we target somebody from another team in this year's Rule 5 draft?
     
    #19 bigtexxx, Aug 17, 2014
  20. white lightning

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    Any good Cardinals unprotected?
     
    #20 white lightning, Aug 17, 2014
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