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Hack-A-Whoever Strategy

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Yodels, Apr 10, 2015.

  1. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

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    The fact that this stategy is disallowed in the final 2 minutes of the 4th (which was a rule change during the prime hack-a-shaq years) sets the precedent for carrying it further (or eliminating it altogether) if and when it was more prevalent.

    Shaq and the Lakers were the only true target back then... and the NBA recognized they could not have the final 2 minutes of a game marred by this loophole (which it is).

    I don't see a problem with doing away with it altogether as its far more prevalently being used now. It makes the games unwatchable. There have been far more drastic rule changes imposed due to less of a "problem" in the past.
     
  2. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

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    The final 2 minutes rule was enacted to get rid of the hack-a-Wilt, not Shaq.

    It's older than most people here.
     
  3. francis 4 prez

    francis 4 prez Contributing Member

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    league's make all sorts of rules to make things more aesthetic. this is no different. it's not allowed in any other leagues is it? not that we have to do everything they do, but it doesn't seem to be some massive shift in rules away from the norm.

    why can't deandre jordan just stand in the paint all day on offense until he catches the ball under the basket, forces all of your big men to foul out in the first quarter, and basically destroys your rim protection for the rest of the game? should those guys just learn to play better defense and work more on being strong in the offseason?

    why can't deandre jordan stand in the paint all day on defense? why do people who like to drive and don't want to shoot a jumper need freedom from deandre jordan protecting the rim?

    why can't deandre jordan just jump up and reject every jumper as it gets near to the rim? because guys who aren't tall enough or athletic enough to dunk on everybody want to shoot jumpers? why did we have to make jump-shooting a fundamental ability in basketball just to help those guys out when clearly a tall guy allowed to deflect all shots could dominate? it makes no sense to negate deandre jordan's skills to help all of these lesser players just so the game can be aesthetically pleasing.


    it would also be interesting if they allowed the option to take free throws on all fouls. make for interesting end of game situations when a coach can't decide if he has confidence in his 55-60% free throw shooter and is deliberating and then the guy ends up taking the shots with the added pressure of knowing his coach didn't really want him taking the shots.
     
  4. rocketsballin

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    they better do somethign about this boring ass sht. it can affect a fan psychologically wherein that all the coffee and energy drinks they had become neutralized by watching the most boring thing in the fkn world! maybe they can do a little rule change during the all star break. nothing to stop it but a little tweak. maybe they send out hush memos to every team telling them they hired mafia guys to fk them up if they try that sht. popovich will be offended
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Just make it any intentional foul off the ball is one FT and the ball out of bounds.

    DD
     
  6. Jayzers_100

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    I like this solution
     
  7. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    No. Make any intentional foul 2 shots, but the team that's fouled gets to pick the shooter. Don't reward a team for doing nothing and don't give them more possessions than they are owed. If D12 gets fouled off the ball, Harden gets the free throws. Harden gould still miss them and the game could stay competitive.
     
  8. heypartner

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    You'll have to make that a referee judgement call to decide intent. I'm never a big fan of deciding "intent."

    Why not just allow the offense to decline the penalty? Much simpler.
     
  9. J.R.

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    Mark Cuban says NBA should leave hacking strategy in place

     
  10. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

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    No Cuban. You like it as an owner, because it prolongs the game and bores people enough to go back to the concession stand. He'd be saying something else had DJ actually signed.
     
  11. AXG

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    I'm fine with the hack-a-whoever strategy. If the players make their shots, then the coaches will stop trying it. Problem solved.
     
  12. ROXTXIA

    ROXTXIA Contributing Member

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    J.R. got here first, but it bears posting again:

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    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...owner-says-nba-leaving-hacking-strategy-place


    Mark Cuban cries foul on proposed change to rules
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    Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban says the "hack-a-player" strategy is entertaining for fans and that it would be a mistake if the league made changes to the rules.

    On Friday, NBA commissioner Adam Silver told USA Today Sports that he was "increasingly of the view" that the league will implement new rules this summer to prevent intentional fouling of poor free throw shooters.

    "At the end of the day," Silver said, "we are an entertainment property, and it's clear when you're in the arena that fans are looking at me shrugging their shoulders with that look saying, 'Aren't you going to do something about this?'"

    Cuban disagrees with the notion that it is hurting the game's entertainment value and told ESPN.com on Saturday morning that he believes fans actually feel more part of the game in hack-a-player situations, citing the example of fans getting on their feet to challenge an opposing player at the free throw line.

    Cuban also said hacking adds an element of intrigue.

    "Will they leave him in or leave him out?" Cuban said. "How do both teams feel about it? How will they foul? Is it a new creative way, or is it just chasing?"
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    Hate to quote myself, but it just underscores my suspicions, you know?

    I wonder if Cuban would stay on Iron Man's side or side with Captain America if he had managed to nab Deandre Jordan (THUD THUD THUD) last summer?
     
  13. J.R.

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    Brad Stevens says he received e-mail from NBA saying that if a player jumps on another player's back for intentional foul, it'll be called Flagrant 1 — @celtics

    Brad Stevens misspoke slightly. Competition committee received memo re: jumping on player's back. Not flagrant 1 yet; good chance it will be. Brad Stevens is on the competition committee; that's why he received memo about potential change in rule; could happen as soon as tomorrow. — Jeff Zillgitt

    There will still be ways to foul someone at the free throw line even if they take it out.. Have to change rule completely. Until NBA changes the whole Hac a whoever problem. Coaches and players will find ways to make bad FT shooters make FT late. — @JaredDudley619

    (What should it get changed to, Jared?) 1 shot and the ball..Can only intentional foul if they have the ball. — Jared Dudley
     
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  14. Rashmon

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    Has anyone suggested that a professional basketball player, paid millions of dollars to put a ball through a hoop, learn how to shoot a simple free throw?
     
  15. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Oh indeed, Cubes, that is riveting sports drama. What an idiot.
     
  16. J.R.

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    http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2016/02/09/146557/
     
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  17. SamFisher

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    ^ I am so ****ing sick of hearing hack-a-godfather Pop say how much he hates it, yet he is the single most responsible coach in terms of popularizing its abuse.

    Obviously he does not hate it.
     
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  18. Tenchi

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    You can hate something but do it anyway because you want to win. Those two things don't have to go together. Nobody cares about your preferences if you're losing games so sometimes that calls for adaptation. That's why Pop is one of the GOATs.
     
  19. boiler

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    They should let the team choose a player to shoot 2 FTs after intentional fouls the entire game.
     
  20. YOLO

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    this. it's a strategy. if it gives his team an advantage in some way of course you do it. "You don’t want me to do it anymore, learn how to shoot a free throw"
     

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