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Israel Launches Ground Invasion of Gaza

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Ah, now with the slave mentality simply because I don't agree with you. Brilliant. It doesn't matter if they are children or adults, the math is the same and if there is a need to do so, you shouldn't think differently. Would it somehow be better in your mind if you were killing 1 million "innocent" adults if there was a legitimate enough reason to need to do so?
     
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    Power to was never your argument. I was all about reason...lets go back and see what happened...you said ~killing 1 million people is of if their is legit reason.

    So do you need to clarify that killing 1 million is illegitimate if you don't have the power to do so?
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    You are still failing to understand what I've said. It doesn't matter whose side we are talking about here, IMO, it is morally acceptable to kill 1 million or any number in certain situations.

    Completely forget this Israeli-Palestinian scenario and think of yourself. Would you kill one stranger to save 10 newborn babies? If the answer is yes, then you agree with me....even if you don't know it.
     
  4. trustme

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    Would you perform experiments on humans by injecting them with HIV and test different treatments on them, without their consent, to save millions of future HIV patients?

    Would you be ok with you and your family being killed to save 8 million people?
     
  5. trustme

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    You have some deep uncovered psychotic thoughts that need to be addressed with a psychiatrist.
     
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    What horrible logic. It's the one terrorists who have attacked Israel and the US have used to justify their attacks.

    Collective punishment is never acceptable.

    Since Israelis elected governments that oppress and discriminate against Palestinians that doesn't justify Palestinians targeting and killing innocent civilians.

    It's a horrible and immoral logic that if applied both ways would justify every attack either side has made.
     
  7. Air Langhi

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    What you have written is just absurd. That is the kind of logic Hitler employed to get what he wanted.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    It all boils down to a question of moral philosophy but it's pretty clear that's beyond most of the people here judging by all of the examples of Godwin's law and slave mentality BS.
     
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    yes all the people here are beneath your magnificent moral philosophy and reasoning. Thank you so much for at least trying to be patient with all of us who just aren't able to engage with you on an equal level or even within the realm of your logic and reasoning. I'm sorry we haven't been able to keep with you.

    Best of luck to you with your next message board finding people who will be able to engage you on the level that you deserve.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Hopefully not all, that would be depressing.
     
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    I think killing 0 to save million is a much preferred outcome. But human are too scared to not kill.
     
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    fixed

    the objective is killing Jews, not acquiring land
     
  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Israel wants two things.

    1. Peace
    2. Land

    Problem is that those two objectives conflict with one another. The desire for peace by one side of Israel and the desire for land by the other is why Israel will never agree to any kind of peace accord that creates a Palestine that is a viable state.

    Palestine wants two things:
    1. Land
    2. Respect

    But Hamas wants
    1. Power
    2. PR

    Those first two objectives are not incompatible with one another. Problem is that 2nd two are. Hamas is willing to forfeit the first two to get the 2nd two at any cost. They see every Palestinian death as a means to cement power and gain sympathy for themselves.

    This conflict goes back so far, neither side really had a great claim to be on the right side. Israel basically stole land for 200 years. Ben Giuen admitted as much. Zionist turned a land that was 4% Jewish to what it is today. They were ruthless in pushing out Palestinians and bombing Palestinian refugee camps throughout the 1900's. It's easy to call Palestinians terrorists today, but by such standards, the atrocities Israel/Zionists committed take terrorism to genocide levels. The facts are there - and in fact you have Zionist leaders openly bragging about having just such a policy. It amazes me that this isn't common knowledge.

    People forget that Islamic terrorism really was born out of resisting Israel. A weaker player resorts to desperate tactics. That doesn't justify such tactics, only explains why one's side extremism helps foster the other sides and so on.

    At the end of the day, this mess can only be cured by stronger leadership. The Palestinians will only get something when they find a leader who knows how to disarm Israel's teeth. And that is through non-violent means. A leader who understands that the Palestinians can take away the IDF's ability to bulldoze a single home, build a single settlement, or fire a single bullet by simply refusing to use violence in any form. It worked in S Africa, Indian, and the U.S. and it can work in that region as well. They need a leader who will focus on investing in Palestine and building up real infrastructure. Who understands that a peaceful Palestine can not have its borders restricted any longer by Israel.

    Palestine is the weaker side. It has to learn that against an enemy that has no where to go and wants their land, that violence will never work against a militarily superior opponent. It has to change tactics and sustain that for many years.

    Hamas isn't the organization to do it, and Palestinians have to rid themselves of Hamas before they can rid themselves of Israel.
     
  14. cxdom

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    The people of Palestine need to wake up. Hamas is destroying them. Hamas doesn't care how many women and children die. Hamas would sacrifice 100 Palestinians to kill one jew. That's a trade they will continue to make.
     
  15. trustme

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    Where do people come up with this load of bs? Why is everyone here an expert on what Hamas wants?
     
  16. trustme

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    What is your source? Fox News?
     
  17. cxdom

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    Hamas proves it with their actions. Hamas is a terrorist organization which does not value human life.
     
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    Seems to me the UN thinks Israel is the one terrorizing Palestinians and committing war crimes.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.606860

    Seems to me Israel doesn't value Human life. It killed 717 Gazan's - 80% Civilians. I just dont understand how can even argue against that?
     
  19. cxdom

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    The UN lol. Am i supposed to take the UN words as gospel? I could care less what the UN thinks.
     
  20. CometsWin

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    You could?
     

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