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Harden And The Top Scorers In The League Assisted and Unassisted FGs

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Air Canada, Jun 26, 2016.

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  1. Air Canada

    Air Canada Member

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    Most people that take a lot of shots at Harden and heap all blame on him don't truly grasp all the facts because he deserves more credit, then blame year in & year out and I'm going to tell you why. ;)

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    Steph - 47% assisted/53% unassisted
    Harden - 29% assisted/71% unassisted
    Durant - 55% assisted/45% unassisted
    Cousins - 60% assisted/40% unassisted
    Lebron - 40% assisted/60% unassisted
    Lillard: 37% assisted/63% unassisted
    Brow: 74% assisted/26% unassisted
    PG: 45% assisted/55% unassisted

    A look at the top scoring perimeter players teammates.

    Steph: Green(playmaker)-Klay(elite shooter)-Iggy(playmaker)

    KD: Russ(elite playmaker)

    LeBron: Kyrie(explosive scorer and elite handler)... Multiple shooters.

    Lillard: McCollum(very good scorer and great perimeter shooter)

    PG: Ellis(playmaker) Hill(playmaker & very good shooter)

    Harden: UMMMM. :confused:

    Harden has to create his own offense 71% of the time :eek: and essentially has to create everyone else's offense on the team as well probably at an even higher rate than that since we have no other legit playmakers, ball handlers, or shot creators.

    And they wonder why his defense suffers and he regressed this past season on that end. :rolleyes: Harden has to carry the biggest offensive load in the league by FAR... Two years running.

    This past one was even worse because although Harden had only 28% of his FGs assisted in the 14-15 season which was slightly lower he at least had a little more help offensively and some better play/shooting from the role players... Particularly with a healthy DMo before he went down and a serviceable version of Corey Brewer before he regressed into a garbage can this season. :mad:

    Let's hope and pray that Morey can get this man some quality help on the perimeter and we'll likely see Harden's efficiency skyrocket and defense improve to a more consistent level.... FA and July 1st can't come fast enough. :cool:
     
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  2. ilovehtownbb

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    First,
     
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  3. peleincubus

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    I'm not sure why I am so pessimistic but I just don't see any good players coming to the Rockets this offseason.
     
    #3 peleincubus, Jun 26, 2016
  4. Cashmoney

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    I'd say maxing out Clarkson or Beal would be a good place to start. (Ditto Conley but he's older and will most likely want to sign with a contender).

    Batum would help greatly in regards to this issue as well but he won't be coming. Parsons averaged 4 dimes a game in his last seasom here. Hell, even Josh McRoberts would be a decent get simply because of his ability to pass the ball as a big man.
     
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  5. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    Can you also include what percent of a teams total assists was the players asts?
     
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  6. Air Canada

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    Clarkson please nooo... Beal worth a look, but no Max... Conley is who I want and hope for... Batum yes, but you're right... Parsons is injuries and he's regressing... No way we sign him again.... And Josh nahhhhh man.
     
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  7. Air Canada

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    Great idea... I should've included that in my original post cuz it further proves my point. ;)

    Steph - 31% of his teams assists
    Harden - 43% of his teams assists
    Durant - 27% of his teams assists
    Cousins - 18% of his teams assists
    Lebron - 38% of his teams assists
    Lillard: 42% of his teams assists
    Brow: 11% of his teams assists
    PG: 27% of his teams assists
     
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  8. Cashmoney

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    When I said Josh McRoberts, I didn't mean we go after him haha. I simply meant in the D'Antoni offense he would still arguably bring more than what we've had in the front court in terms of getting easy buckets. He's an amazing passer
     
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  9. kjayp

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    Can you also include the stat for how many guys hold the ball for too long without giving it up to a teammate, then fall down and give up a turnover and uncontested bucket on the other end?

    and as far as assists go... James would rather try to rifle the ball between multiple defenders and try to get an assist at the rim (and set an NBA record in turnovers) than simply give up the ball and let it work its way around the perimeter to get to an open man or mismatch...

    Stats do not exist in a vacuum... you can't point at a stat like this and declare him to be all that without realizing that he set an all time turnover record in the process...


    Yeh, I don't like the dude... I think he's a ballhogging gloryhound stat padding narcissist that isn't going to do anything that doesn't directly correlate to his stat line... team results be damned...

    It occurs to me, James wouldn't HAVE to work so hard on offense if he played defense and didn't turn the ball over so often... it doesn't matter how much you score if you allow the other team to score more - unless you're just worried about your own stats...

    Hell, COREY BREWER dropped 51 points on us with Harden as his primary defender! COREY BREWER! James had 33 pts, 10 assists, and 6 steals that game - wtf does it matter if you're gonna let Sewer go for 51!

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC1srGqOrK4 here's Brewer's 51 - watch the harden defense...
     
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  10. ClutchCity3

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    but but but..he played no defense. /s
     
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  11. kjayp

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    object of the game isn't simply to score... it's to OUTSCORE the other team... the game happens on BOTH ends of the court... we were 7th in scoring last season which was good for squeaking in at the 8th seed and getting spanked in the 1st round...

    "...other than that, how did you like the play Mrs Lincoln?"
     
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  12. Mr. Clutch

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    "He's not a player who likes to move"- Calvin Watkins

    How can he get assisted when he doesn't move without he ball?
     
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  13. Verbal Christ

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    "Arrrrghhhh mob mentality says Harden sucks even in the face of facts arrrrghhhh we'd be better off with 12 role players"

    OP you are totally right but this place has turned into a factory of sadness lately.
     
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    That tells me 3 things

    Harden does not know how to move without the ball to get open

    The offense is stagnant as **** with no ball movement

    Harden holds onto the ball on every possession
     
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  15. CertifiedTroll

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    I actually really enjoyed that stat so repped. Can you post last years numbers for comparison? I wonder if Harden is that much of a ball hog or if this team was really that ****.
     
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  16. kjayp

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    STATS DO NOT EXIST IN A VACUUM!!!!!! james can score 200 points a night and it doesn't matter for shet if he were to give up 201!

    I don't know why people can't wrap their minds around this simple fact!

    I understand with Les and Morey... They're out to make money - and an exciting offense sells tickets (hence the MDA hire) but informed fans should be seeking RESULTS - not empty stats...
     
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  17. kjayp

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    and just for the record... he doesn't suck... he just doesn't prioritize for TEAM success! "Harden looks out for Harden"

    You can have a defensive specialist who doesn't score because the team decides who has the ball on offense...

    but if you have an offensive specialist who doesn't play d - the other team can exploit that all night... hence Brewer's 51...

    sometimes the mob is right... the 'mob' believed OJ was guilty... the 'facts' presented in court determined he was not... at least to 12 jurors...
     
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  18. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    How many times did we see Harden with the ball and just standing around until the shot clock gets below 10? How is another player supposed to assist him in that situation? How many screens have you seen him wave off so he can ISO against the other team's best defender? James is supremely talented, but he seems to have the basketball IQ of a turnip and the motor of a Vespa scooter.
     
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  19. kjayp

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    I think he has a very high IQ... he knows how to manipulate the stats to cast his brand in the best light... If he passes to the guy on the perimeter who can then make a clean pass to the post for an easy bucket - he gets no credit on his stat line... better he tries to rifle it between 2 defenders to get the assist... even if he sets the record for turnovers, enough will make it through that he'll get a good number of assists so that "he's not a ballhog - look he got this many assists..."
     
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  20. dmoneybangbang

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    Based on what? Because his teammates weren't able to hit open shots this season?

    We also had a defensive specialist who admitted he didn't try hard because we didn't use him like the Dream.
     
    #20 dmoneybangbang, Jun 26, 2016
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