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Harden And The Top Scorers In The League Assisted and Unassisted FGs

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Air Canada, Jun 26, 2016.

  1. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    Westbrook and Kyrie Irving also have a high percentage of unassisted FGs. They don't exactly have bad teammates.

    Really has more to do with how the individual player plays than teammates IMO.

    And it's not necessarily bad or good to have a high %.
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    Sound logic, we don't rely on Harden's elite defense. Did Harden play bad defense and set a bad example? Absolutely, but he played elite offense, where we needed him most. Did Howard played bad defense and set a bad example? Absolutely.

    We were 10th in points allowed in the paint last year and 26th this year btw..... Howard was injured for a good chunk of last season too....

    Everybody pooped the bed this season, some more than others. Howard was brought here mainly for defensive prowess and he took a step back season even admitting he wasn't trying hard all the time at his own calling card. It simply didn't work out with him

    Tell that to the person who I replied to. However, I can tie this into that if you'd like.
     
  3. dmoneybangbang

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    And our players individually all decided to suck this year somehow and someway.
     
  4. Htownballer38

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    We were top 10 without Dwight. Remember he was out for 50+ games. Beverley was out as well.
     
  5. dmoneybangbang

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    Yup. Two players who no can longer consistently serve their intended purposes.
     
  6. Htownballer38

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    BWHAHAHA tell me about it. This type of stuff happens on every social media outlet. But like you stated we all are cheering and wishing for the same thing. Another Rockets championship/s and at least 10-20 years of consistent playoffs runs.

    Bro I've spent a lot money too. Lol every time I came home from either Canada or offshore I would take my boys to a game. We would stop and grab something to eat after the game. But hey all good, I love every bit of it.
     
  7. coffeelover665

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    his Defense will improve once he gets a secondary playmaker. The man is simply too gassed out on running everything on offense.
     
  8. Air Canada

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    Also a part of my point.
     
  9. knickstorm

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    Gassed? Half these SHaqtin a fools, defense compilation highlights are plays from the 1st half.

    Ty Lawson was a fine playmaker before he showed up. The man doesn't like to relinquish the ball.
     
  10. Air Canada

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    We had that high of an offense cuz of Harden.... Which has greater value and impact individually.

    Team defense >>> individual defense... Always.
    And you could easily argue offensive liabilities get exploited even more... Look at how teams played Brewer this year... Look at how teams exploit Roberson on OKC... And Tony Allen in the playoffs especially last year.

    Did we lose in the WCF the previous year cuz of Harden's defense? Not even close... Harden thoroughly outplayed Klay in every aspect.... But.... He didn't have the help offensively... No one else stepped up or provided some consistent offense or playmaking outside of him and GS was able to key in on him with MULITPLE defenders in Iggy, Klay, and Green.

    You see how often you can surround great offensive players with great defenders in the past and succeed in winning it all.

    Look at Dirk in the past... Look at Curry now.. He has multiple great defenders at every other position and on the bench... Which is exactly why you'll see primary offensive superstars win as the guy, but you won't see the same with primarily defensive ones.

    Ever heard the saying great offense beats great defense every time? Elite individual offense is more valuable and more impactful than elite individual defense from a perimeter player every time.

    When it comes to the elite offensive players... They aren't "stopping" Durant, Lebron, Harden, etc.. sure they can make it harder on them, but elite 1v1 perimeter defense does not mean much or more than the team D... If you look at both ends of the spectrum.. You'll always take a Curry over a Tony Allen. There's more than one reason for this, but for one when Curry gets hot.. You can't stop him.

    Yes defense does win championships... BUT that is TEAM defense... You still need an individual that can and will take over games.. hit the big shots when needed and lead the teams offense.

    :rolleyes: Some foolishly think perimeter defense has a similar value or is equal to perimeter offense, when the value difference is closer to 3 or heck maybe even 4 to 1.... the opposite can be said when referring to big men and interior defense.

    The center spot is probably the only position where defensive worth is comparable to offense and it very well may be more valuable there.

    When it really comes down to it..
    Defense especially on the perimeter is very team based(good rotation, recovery, help defense)... It's reliant on that much more so than offense, where a single elite player could carry an offense... Which is why we're so highly ranked. You won't see this with a single quality defender.

    Harden has had rough nights, both offensively and defensively but you could count on him to contribute something if his shot isn't falling. He will get to the line; or if he isn't getting to the line or he can't get a shot, he can get you 6-8 assist and you can run the offense through him. And lately whenever the Rockets have needed a big play, he is the one making the shot or play... Curry is a great shooter, but he's also a great playmaker who can contribute as well if his jumper is off. They're also clutch, can score easily in iso situations, and excel at creating for their teammates. Curry could even be a zero on defense and he'd still be better than a Paul George just because of the relative value and impact of offense and defense from their positions.

    That is not to say George is a zero on offense cuz he's not.. It's just to say that a decent or even perimeter offensive player with elite defense is not equal to or better than an elite perimeter offensive player with average or mediocre defense.

    Exactly ;)
     
  11. Air Canada

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    ^ Here ya go
     
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    Ty Lawson somehow looked even worse on the Pacers. He's obviously messed up mentally from sobering up or something.
     
  13. Air Canada

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    Something mentally yes, but he's also lost a step and can barely throw it in the ocean.
     
  14. kjayp

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    every easy bucket you give up - is one more bucket you need to score...
     
  15. Htownballer38

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    BWHAHAHA exactly. Dude couldn't have been gassed in the 1st half. Funny how that known fact is ignored by his main supporters.
     
  16. dmoneybangbang

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    Look, your sig cleary shows where you stand. Howard dropped the ball the most this season and admitted he didn't try hard. Harden didn't play good defense but at least he made up for it by carrying the team offensively. Those are the facts of the matter. He's a top offensive threat in the NBA despite having piss poor scoring options around him (Beasley was a small shining light in a sea of darkness) as the OP and others have clearly demonstrated. Drop Howard and retool around Harden.
     
  17. dmoneybangbang

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    You're a petty person who has nothing but sound bites. Yawn.
     
  18. Htownballer38

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    And you're very childish. Grow the hell up dude and stop it with this name calling nonsense. If you disagree, fine. But resulting to name calling is a sign of immaturity on your behalf.

    And I can guarantee you that you wouldn't say that nonsense to my face.
     
  19. larsv8

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    Oh **** son, we got an internet tough guy over here.
     
  20. dmoneybangbang

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    Well don't make petty comments and you won't get called petty. Savvy?
     

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