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Should this have been a Jeremy Lin steal, or was it the right call?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. Clutch

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    I realize there are far more important issues than this, but just thought it was an interesting discussion.

    Jeremy Lin did not get a steal tonight -- at least not in the box score -- ending his streak.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>No steals for Jeremy Lin tonight, snapping his 19-game streak of at least one theft, longest by a Rocket since Trevor Ariza had 19 in '09.</p>&mdash; ClutchFans.net (@clutchfans) <a href="https://twitter.com/clutchfans/status/292457731036688384" data-datetime="2013-01-19T02:25:31+00:00">January 19, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    But Matt Bullard responded, saying that Jeremy did have a steal but the NBA scorekeeper got it wrong.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-in-reply-to="292472241269112832"><p>@<a href="https://twitter.com/clutchfans">clutchfans</a> we think it was very early in the game.</p>&mdash; Matt Bullard (@bull50) <a href="https://twitter.com/bull50/status/292473812920958977" data-datetime="2013-01-19T03:29:25+00:00">January 19, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    So went back on the tape and found the play -- at the 8:25 mark of the 1st quarter, Omer Asik knocks away a pass. Jeremy Lin gets it and appears to tangle briefly with a Pacer for it (hard to tell if he got possession). It was credited a steal for Asik. Here's the play:

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    From Wikipedia:

    What do you think?
     
  2. JoeBarelyCares

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    Welcome to the NBA, where there is no honor among thieves.
     
  3. el gnomo

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    By definition, it should go to Asik since he first knocked it free. Seems pretty simple to me.
     
  4. cjtaylorpt

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    They stole his steal. What thieves.
     
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    In seriousness though,

    In basketball, a steal occurs when a defensive player legally causes a turnover by his positive, aggressive action.[1][2] This can be done by deflecting and controlling, catching, or batting to a teammate a pass or dribble of an offensive player. The defender must not touch the offensive player's hands or otherwise a foul is called.
    Steals are not credited if the defensive player merely picks up a loose ball in his vicinity or when an errant pass goes directly to him.[1][2] Steals are credited to the player who first causes the turnover, not the player who eventually gains possession.[1][2] Whenever a steal is recorded for a defensive player, an offensive player must be credited as making a turnover.

    So, no.
     
  6. conquistador#11

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    i don't know about that. there was a game earlier in the season where lin was knocking around pass, looked like he would have 5 steals ended up with one.


    But hey how about hit your freebies Jlin! or Harden stop sucking at shooting!
    Get your heads out of your arses. :mad:
     
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    To me, looks like a tipped pass by Asik, and a loose ball recovered by Lin. Not sure what the outcome of that should be. I guess a steal by Asik, but Lin definitely earning something for recovering that ball.

    The way the Rockets have played the past 5 games, they really dont deserve to be keeping any record breaking streaks alive anyways so I guess the basketball god(Stern) doesn't lie.
     
  8. jocar

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    He got robbed.
    ba-dum!
     
  9. Da_Spark

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    Was that Mahinmi? Anyway, Asik initially tipped the pass which caused a loose ball but if you look closely, Mahinmi seemed to have regained possession until Lin tipped it loose again for the steal. Therefore, i'd credit the steal to Jeremy Lin.
     
  10. Beard

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    I think hibbert regained possession, he took a semi controlled dribble then looked up and tried to attempt a pass to hill. By NBA standards that is possession, should have been a steal for Lin.
     
  11. Beard

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    ^^^or mahinmi, whatever
     
  12. dream1222

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    If that were the case, lin's steal per game should be way higher.
    either way, he got robbed
     
  13. VanityHalfBlack

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    A steal or a deflection??? If it's a steal it should always be our possession or our offense.. If Asik deflected it and the opposing team/player still able to gain possession of the ball, does Asik still gets credit for it??? How is something so simple turn into something so confusing now, I'm Hi TCH High!!!
     
  14. GoRockets!

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    I thought after Asik tips the ball away, but the Pacers center got his hand on the ball again (at 0.09), then one dribble and Lin causes him not being able to hold the ball again and lost the ball to Lin, so, imo, yes, that's a steal from Lin.
     
  15. durvasa

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    The scorekeepers got it right. That steal should be credited to Asik.

    Olajuwon got a lot of steals this way -- not simply intercepting a pass or taking the ball away, but knocking it loose so a teammate could get to it. It probably would be more fair to credit each player with half a steal.
     
  16. GoRockets!

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    But the pacers center got his hand on the ball again after Asik's intercepting :confused:
     
  17. pnr

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    If the argument is that Asik should get the steal cause he knocked it out to a teammate, Lin should have a lot more total steals cause he does this all the time too.
     
  18. Phillycheese

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    Looks like Mahinmi regained possession and then was dispossessed. Even announcer called a steal for Lin.
     
  19. SPBR

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    The steal came about from aggressive play from both players. The ball didn't exactly fall into Lin's lap. It looks like he made have knocked it away from Mahinmi, who was in the process of regaining control of the ball. If it happened a fraction later, after it's clear Mahinmi had control of the ball, Lin would've gotten the credit. As is, Asik had the initial poke in the sequence, he gets the credit based on rules.

    Stats and streaks are probably the last thing on Lin's mind. Would've been a nice streak to have, you know, to mark a New Age and all.
     
  20. VanityHalfBlack

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    I'm still confused but doesn't a steal mean also a player has possession of the ball from the steal??? Or team's possession but the credit goes to the guy who deflected it and giving his running teammate possession of the ball??? If you cause an opposing player to turnover the ball and your teammates pick it up to gain possession, that player that started it gets credit?
     

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