Islamist Propaganda Machine in the USA funded by Saudi Arabian Extremists

If Yoelnatanbooks blogspot says it, then it must be true. :grin:

I'm not a huge fan of Reza Aslan. I agree with him some of the time and disagree with him some of the time. But I don't really think he's an Islamist.

The blogspot bit you posted is hardly anything earth shattering, or even legitimate journalism.

loonwatch may be a crappy source, but nothing you posted is worth a damn in trying to make that source.

It's also funny that the blogspot piece uses that frequently inaccurate and unreliable religionofpeace website to base some of its information on. Talk about your crappy sources.

 

I worked for Gallup for over 7yrs….rotten in a word.

 

I haven't seen a single "hateful outburst" by Aslan, perhaps you'd like to link to one.

BTW, the interview where he repeatedly told the interviewer that he was a PhD holder was in response to the interviewer questioning his credentials to speak on the subject of religion. I thought that, given the interviewer's obvious condescending tone, Aslan was very respectful and never even raised his voice, much less engaged in "screaming" as you claim.

 

lol. anyone who disagrees with ATW is an islamist. everyone on this board should know that.

 

More attention whoring by ATW. Soon he will Call Obama an Islamist.

 

Reza Aslan is a rather secular individual who is a strong proponent of cultural relativism. Majority of his arguments are along the lines of "Who are we to judge. It's their culture and their religion". He also believes religion is above reproach and uses an apeal to authority in almost all his arguments when he is stuck in a corner.

He ain't no Islamofacist. He's just an ultra apologetic who believes religion is infallible.

 

Religion isn't infallible, but I think it's unrealistic to say to people they need to rewrite the Koran.

But you can shift the way a book is interpreted. And you can bring a culture into a more modern way. I don't think we should be apologetic about Islam or any religion. If you ask me, all religions are stupid and pointless and a problem on this planet. I believe in secularism. But as a pragmatist I know it is a waste of energy to tell people that or try to wean them off their beliefs.

What we can do is apply the lessons of history and use the same forces that generate secular societies.

I think attacking Islam as the problem won't get us very far as it only works to alienate moderate Muslims. Instead we should celebrate moderate Islam and the world use those places where Islam is working to benefit a society as guiding lights. And we fight extremism by working with gov'ts to increase woman's education and quality of life. If women are independent and free, they will naturally rebel against the patriarchal elements. Education and industrial development are key.

It's not wonder that the Muslim's worlds most modern economies are also their more pluralistic and least barbaric which goes to show that indeed, it's the culture of indoctrination far more than the text in a book.

 

I don't have an opinion on this particular topic because I've never even heard of this guy. And you could very well be right.

From what I've read in your previous posts though, you are the antithesis of what you described in this post. You are from Bangladesh, correct? A highly Islamic country. Seems you took the exact opposite approach and just hate religion, islam, whatever.

There is hardly any objectivism from either side. Whether that be you who obviously has repressed resentment towards Islam most likely because of your upbringing. ATW who seems to feel that Islam is ruining the world. Or the other side (exiled, that guy whose name starts with a "g" that ATW always calls out, etc.) who blame Jews for everything and fail to put the blame where it actually belongs.

Clearly the Muslim world has issues. And they're not small issues either. They need to be addressed internally more than anything else.

Also on topic. Often times in these threads the sources are questionable from all sides.

 

My parents are from Bangladesh. I was born in the states.

 

Great post!

 

I think this is a more accurate assessment of Reza Aslan. I pretty much agree with this.

 

Hhhhaha well said

 

Yea, I've seen and heard many interviews with him. Never once did I recall him having an outburst or any hatred toward the interviewer or audience. His answers were direct and to the point without much of any emotional tone attached to it while answering criticism.

Maybe ATW hear screaming whenever a 'muslim' simply have a different POV on TV?

 

I'm pretty much done with this thread. So there's no real point. I might read stuff. But I think everything has been said that needs to by all those involved.

 

His comments about Sam Harris...

 

He was Muslim, then Christian and now Muslim again. He is married to a rich, white, Christian American CEO and his kids are being raised as secular.

FWIW I don't even think that he really believes in many Islamic values. He actually said that religions are all a road map to the same destination. There is no way in hell that an extremist would say that.

I cannot vouch for his credentials or anything of that sort. However I can say he seems about as secular a Muslim as you will find.

 

I KNEW IT.