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Halliburton Supplied Troops with Water 2x as Contaminated as Untreated River Water

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  1. wnes

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    http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,17920607%5E1702,00.html

    US troops 'given foul water'
    By Vicki Allen in Washington
    24jan06

    A HALLIBURTON Co subsidiary provided water to US troops at a camp in Iraq that was twice as contaminated as water from the Euphrates River, former employees of the company said.

    The subsidiary, Kellogg Brown and Root, also blocked employees' attempts to inform the US military at Camp Junction City in Ramadi that the water was foul or tell them that water tanks should immediately be chlorinated, the workers said.

    They cited KBR's failure to test or treat the water in the latest in a series of hearings Senate Democrats have held on Halliburton, which was once headed by Vice President Dick Cheney and has huge contracts to provide services to the US military in Iraq.

    Halliburton said in a statement it had found "no evidence to substantiate allegations made by these former employees".

    While bottled water was provided for drinking and cooking, the soldiers at the camp used the contaminated water for bathing, shaving and laundry.

    "We exposed a base camp population (military and civilian) to a water source that was not treated," said an internal e-mail from Will Granger, who was KBR's water quality manager for all of Iraq and Kuwait.

    "The level of contamination was roughly 2x the normal contamination of untreated water from the Euphrates River," continued the e-mail dated July 15 of last year and released at the hearing. It said the exposure lasted for up to a year.

    Ben Carter, a water purification specialist who worked for KBR at Junction City, told Senate Democrats that KBR officials had assured him the water was being treated.

    But after Mr Carter discovered a problem, he started tests and learned that the water drawn from the Euphrates and polluted with sewage and other contaminates, was not being chlorinated.

    He said he treated the water tanks for KBR employees, and told company managers the military should be alerted to treat its tanks as well. "I was ordered to concern myself only with the health and safety of KBR personnel," Mr Carter said.

    Mr Carter said KBR was supposed to test the water three times a day to confirm the presence of chlorine, but "to my knowledge, such testing never occurred".

    He said he learned from Mr Granger that similar problems existed throughout Iraq.

    He said Mr Granger told him the Junction City water was doubly polluted because the military, which operated the purification system at that time, apparently was taking waste water from the purification process and using it in the non-portable supply instead of dumping it back in the river.

    KBR now operates the purification system.

    Rejecting the accusations, Halliburton said the military's own records showed the water was suitable for non-drinking uses, and that there was no documented case of unusual illnesses or health problems from the site.

    Mr Carter and another former KBR employee, Ken May, said they have suffered from persistent gastrointestinal problems and that many other people at the camp complained of diarrhoea and other health problems.
     
  2. El_Conquistador

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    Obviously Dick Cheney doo-doo'd in that water in an effort to utilize less water per bottle, save money, and boost Halliburton's share price to line his own pockets. I'd check the water for his urine as well. Same idea.
     
  3. vwiggin

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    Actually, Dick Cheney's urine can cure cancer.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    I think Halliburton/KBR's various failures and misadventures in Iraq (as well as those of Bechtel and other large contractors) are more of the kind that result from general incompetence, bumbling and lack of oversight folowed by embarrassing coverups rather than top-down, conspiratorial behavior. A Frontline program I caught some of the other night cast some doubt as to whether H/KBR was even going to turn a profit on the whole thing.

    Much like the Bush adminstration generlly in Iraq, they considered the reward and not the risk and took on a job that they did not have the ability to complete and were not prepared to do despite knowledge of the enormity of the task beforehand.
     
  5. El_Conquistador

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    Before we rush to judgment, these allegations are made by former employees, who are most likely disgruntled. Their credibility is in question, particularly given the fact that Halliburton is denying the charges.

    Second, Halliburton is undertaking the tremendously difficult job of rebuilding a nation in the middle of a war. Does anyone expect things to go smoothly? No, that's unrealistic and naive. The liberals seem to imply that everything should run without a hitch. When things don't they blast the contractors that are in the heat of the battle, doing a very tough job. That's very immature thought. Very partisan, immature thought. Particularly when it's made by people who have no familiarity with the inner workings of the process or the company. Halliburton is a well-respected company in industry circles with a reputation as being the world's best at these types of jobs. No one has more experience than Halliburton at these jobs. Never do the libs list the successes of past Halliburton projects, only the perceived and alleged failures. Typical libs...

    The real motivation behind these criticisms is partisan-driven due to Cheney's past ties to the company. Isn't that smear and fear campaign what got the libs into their predicament of zero power in government in the first place? Why yessiree it is!
     
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    Too bad the man has never taken a piss in his life. That's probably why he's so damn pissed all the time.
     
  7. hotballa

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    So that means Haliburton is free from all criticism?

    They supplied contaminated water to our troops who have been doing a heck of a job for us. You're nothing but a tool for a shell of a formerly great and idealistic party. If they decided to raise taxes for everyone, you would go along with it because Bush and Cheney said so.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    What a lot of supposition with no evidence to back it. The only thing that is known from this whole post is that Haliburton is denying it.

    You have zero idea as to the real motivation of these charges, nor do you provide any evidence supporting your claim that the charges are made by people with an axe to grind, and are made for those reasons only.

    Is this how you support the troops? Is your motto "Support the troops unless it is against a large corporation like haliburton, or they want to build a veterans center near me?"
     
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    And all this time I thought he was just a mean old man. ;)
     
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    His ilk is all the same, they support the troops when its politically good for the puppet in the white house. When the US was in Bosnia, I'm pretty sure he had the same problem with that war as others do with the one in Iraq.
     
  11. El_Conquistador

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    Guilty until proven innocent, eh? Isn't that the libs' motto when dealing with anything that could remotely damage people they hate? Why yes it is! They'd love to see due process for enemies of the state and terrorists, but not for companies rebuilding Iraq or anyone related to the Republican party! No sir! Typical libs...

    At this point, these are allegations made by fomer employees. Former employees are many types "former employees" for a reason -- either they were dismissed or hated their jobs. In many cases this makes them more likely to be disgruntled, something which hurts their objectivity and damages the credibility of their complaints and allegations.
     
  12. hotballa

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    You're not really gonna go there with the guilty until proven innocent thing when Bush is spying on its own citizens are you?

    And yet when Dick Morris gets fired by the Clinton Administration, who embraces him and his accussations with open arms? That's right, we did. Stop calling the kettle black.
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    Question the credibility of the source: Check!

    Blame liberals: Check!

    Claim that the entire story is partisan: Check!

    A true, 100% t_j post.
     
  14. rimrocker

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    Here's alittle better piece on the issue. Seems the emails referenced in the first post were internal emails from employees trying to get management's attention to address the problem...

     
  15. rhadamanthus

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    Funny.

    No doubt TJ posted the democrat voter fraud story to incite democrats to weasel-word out of dealing with the crime. Instead, most (if not all) immediately denounced the actions and were pleased with the news of justice.

    Now wnes incites posts from TJ, who takes the bait and comes to the defense of his party regardless of the nature of the story or allegations. And what better represents his party than Halliburton?

    I think there may be a lesson here.
     
  16. Major

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    So what happens when the Republican party line "support the troops" and "support halliburton" no longer both work together?
     
  17. hotballa

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    They'll treat Haliburton the same way they treating Abramhoff. Bush will claim he never spoke to anyone from Haliburton, etc. The liberals will probaly get some blame.
     
  18. A-Train

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    Contaminate water? Call up Erin Brockovich!
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    rimrocker's post deals with this red herring nicely, by pointing out the complaints weren't made to look Haliburton look bad, but originally a matter internally within the company. It only became public later.
     
  20. gifford1967

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    Here's some speculation fo ya. Maybe those INTERNAL emails are the reason they are ex-employees.
     

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