The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley is not very good

Avery Bradley, Courtney Lee.

 

Miami Heat will tell you how valuable Battier was for their 2 championships, even when he lost a leg comparing to his Houston days.

Those defensive specialists are good fit for a well coached system, which Houston never provides.

 

They weren't even well coached. It was simply Lebron and Wade making everyone else look good.

 

So Bev skipped his 26th birthday and turned directly 27 after 25?

 

It looks like Thirsty Thursday got the best of you, my friend

Sober up and wrap your head around the fact that Rafer's best year was a 13-5 year (06-07 playing 40 MPG back whenever our idea of a backup point guard was local YMCA All-Star, JLIII, AND the legendary V-Span). Hell, Ish friggin Smith put up better numbers than that this year.

The point is: both Bev and Rafer are/were bench players forced to start and assume much larger roles out of necessity. In a perfect world, Bev would be a great sparkplug to bring off of the bench for 10-15 minutes a game to be an agitator and get in people's heads. The same way, in a perfect world, Rafer would have been coming off of the bench doing what he did best - defend and handle the rock (...as opposed to playing 40 MPG, bricking three's and clearly being the weakest link on a talented but flawed team).

As difficult as both situations are to stomach, neither is the individual player's fault and it's important to recognize that. Especially, during a time like this whenever everyone is pointing fingers and assigning blame for this catastrophe of a season.

 

Stop it, he was our best 3pt shooter, hardest worker and is the type of guy every team needs. I do want him to work on his defense, because that overaggressive play is becoming more of a problem. He's a hustle guy asked to do too much and you cannot just develop good court vision and other skills a PG is supposed to have. Passing is something this whole team needs to work and let's hope with a new coach and system he will thrive.

 

Wait people want Avery Bradley/Courtney Lee but don't want Bev?

Isaiah Thomas/Bradley and Kemba/Lee backcourts are inferior versions of Harden/Bev, and some people apparently haven't figured out that Harden is a PG and Bev is a SG, which is why Bev doesn't put up big assist #s and Harden averaged about 7 this season.

Bev was actually one of our best players, he's just more of a 25-30 mpg guy than a 35 mpg guy, same with Ariza. We had an egregious bench and coach this season which is why so many of our players were forced into heavy minutes. Seriously find a good replacement that can provide at least neutral defense and shoots roughly 39-40% 3pt and costs under 10 mil.

 

And the strange thing is: He is a 28.7 mpg guy, according to this one stat website I found that can track how many minutes each player plays.

So, he's 28.7 mpg, shooting 40% 3s (was 42% up into last week of the season), and plays solid defense. Get him down to 23.7 mpg and I think we have one role player solved for this team.

 

Beverly outplayed Jeremy Lin and TOOK the starting job from him. It's not a debate who's better for this team. Jeremy Lin's egregious turnover problem made him a scrub. We're talking about a player who's not a superstar single handedly ruining the Portland series off dumb azz mistakes. I'm still upset at that

 

stay calm.

 

actually not true at all. it all came down to who was a better "fit" next to harden. At the time it was as if you needed a defensive minded guard first next to Harden to cover his glaring weakness so that worked in Bev's favor. But we all knew Beverley was limited in what he could do as a pg. He's only there to play defense and hit open 3s because hes not versatile enough to really do anything else. It showed some signs of success for awhile.

Then you have this year and things went downhill for many reasons. this defensive minded guard next to him is part of the worst defensive team in the league. And the offense once again rests on the shoulders of one person because the majority of players next to him have no versatility.

So which is it? Get another guard who can make plays for others like a lin or stick with a limited guy like Bev. JH's glaring weakness and the way he plays the game doesn't exactly grow a long list of who really would fit next to him while being good enough to ultimately win a title. The obvious answer is you have to find a backcourt mate that is a mix of both. But that's a pretty big problem in itself.

 

Beverly didn't outplay Jeremy. Jeremy outplayed himself with his turnover issues and inconsistent play. Beverly got the job by default. And no Lin didn't ruin the Blazers series with one turnover. There were 6 games, Jeremy boneheaded play was one of my boneheaded plays. You think it was any dumber than allowing lillard to get off a last second desperation 3 that ended the series?

 

Agreed. He's not an ideal starter but he's a good player. He was hurt during the playoffs. the OP's playoff stats misrepresent his worth. At times he looks like the only one who wants to play defense. At the end of the day he was a positive in BPM and top 10 in RPM. Those aren't "trash" numbers. He can contribute and he's on a reasonable deal.

 

So you're not giving Beverley not credit? lol. He played better than Lin at the time, who couldn't shoot, defend or dribble without giving the ball away. Lin's "fan base" here kept making excuses, but Bev CLEARLY outplayed him.

As for the Portland series, he definitely ruined that. That boneheaded play was one of MANY that handed Portland that series. If Jeremy wasn't playing we beat Portland in 6

 

what if parson's blocked lillard's shot. Would they beat Portland in game 6 too

what if harden didn't miss the shot which then bounced off lopez's hand into parson's. would they beat portland in 6 too

 

If by outplaying him, you mean he handed the off to Parsons or Harden every chance he got and was essentially a zero on offense, whereas Lin was sometimes a -1? Then yes, I agree with you.

And seriously you are blaming that series on one guy? A backup off the bench at that. That's just stupid. No other words for it. It's just as dumb as a players fan base that keeps making excuses for inconsistent play.

 

I miss his fire back when he was fighting for the starting position. But he's obviously a backup

 

I think we could have a new starting 1,3,4, and 5, even salvaged players from overseas or the D league, and we'd be better than this last year. Such major flaws at all four of those roster slots, it's not even funny.

 

Yall can keep talking about a career high 3pt% and his D...but he shot like 20% from three vs GS and looked rattled offensively...missed open layups and created traffic jams in the paint from dribbling too much and pretending he was a point guard.

He's a good back up, but I'm not sure you can trust him full time. His aggressiveness on D also doesn't help as much, if you can't withstand the energy surge the other team will bring in response to Beverley's antics...similar to Terry's talking, it works against you, when that guy can't back up his actions/talk and the team isn't strong enough to do it for him.

 

all of this was understood by many but the delusional ones thought that Bev would be this difference maker in the playoffs now since they didn't have him last year. Reality check for those so they can finally shut the door on that. People just set their standards and expectations way too high for him. That's why a lot of people are easily frustrated when dealing with Beverley. He's limited, always has been. He plays as well as he can with the strengths that got him to this point. Ill never question his effort. He does a lot of dumb things still and hasn't learn to tone it down a notch with his unnecessary antics but he has a place on any team as a role player, primarily off the bench.