1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Beverage industry douses tax on soft drinks

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Shovel Face, Feb 8, 2010.

  1. Shovel Face

    Shovel Face Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2009
    Messages:
    724
    Likes Received:
    44
    A major hit to THE WAR ON SALT? Thank you lobbyists! Die Statists Die!

    [​IMG]


    WASHINGTON — Employing a broad-based lobbying effort, the soft drink industry has smothered a plan to tax sugared beverages — a plan advocates said would have reduced obesity and helped finance health care reform.

    Only months ago, public health advocates thought the tax would be a natural for congressional Democrats looking for revenues to fund expanded health insurance coverage. The soaring costs of treating ailments related to excess weight — including diabetes and heart disease — added urgency to the issue.

    But the White House staff reviewing funding options never embraced the idea even after President Barack Obama expressed interest last summer. A key congressional committee, after initially seeming receptive, ended up refusing to consider it. Several minority advocacy groups, including some committed to fighting obesity, lined up against the tax after years of receiving financial support from the industry.

    There is no sign that first lady Michelle Obama will mention taxes Tuesday when she unveils her new healthy eating initiative, which had input from fast food and soft-drink representatives.

    Meanwhile, beverage lobbyists attacked some of the country's most distinguished nutrition scientists, accusing them of bias and distorting available evidence. The beverage industry also financed research that reached conclusions favorable to its position.
    'We thought we had a chance'

    No one underestimated the difficulty of getting new taxes approved, but Rep. Linda Sanchez, D-Calif., a member of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said, “We thought we had a chance to punch through.”

    That was before the industry unlimbered its guns.

    From the beginning, fast food and beverage company executives were uneasy about Obama. He and his wife were known advocates of healthy eating. The executives were also concerned that the promised Obama health care initiative might include taxes or other incentives to reduce consumption of fast food and high-calorie beverages.

    Coupled with similar initiatives in such states as California, the industry faced the specter of a full-scale national debate on sweetened soft drinks and their effect on health — and the nation's ever-higher medical bill.

    Another alarm sounded last May when the Senate Finance Committee heard testimony from public health advocates who proposed using a soda tax to help finance health care legislation.

    Analysts at Yale University have calculated that a penny an ounce tax would induce a 23 percent drop in consumption, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that a smaller tax could raise $50 billion over 10 years. While the extent to which such a tax might drive down obesity rates is scientifically unclear, nutrition experts argue that it would, at the least, improve health by discouraging consumption of sodas, which have no nutritional value but are packed with calories.

    A few weeks later, soda tax advocates in the Ways and Means committee reported initially favorable responses from colleagues during closed-door meetings. And in July, Obama told a Men's Health magazine reporter that such a tax was an “idea that we should be exploring.”
    Seen as political winner

    Sanchez, who was recently diagnosed with gestational diabetes, was one of the committee members who pushed for consideration of the idea. She told a closed-door meeting of committee Democrats that it would be a political winner: “We are on the moral high ground here,” she said. “We can improve health outcomes and get more revenue.”

    At the beginning, several other Democrats expressed support, including six-term Rep. Bill Pascrell of New Jersey and freshman Rep. Allyson Y. Schwartz of New Jersey, the daughter of a dentist.

    Beverage lobbyists immediately went to work, enlisting other industries as well to pressure members of Ways and Means.

    “The industries in our coalition realized that this is a slippery slope, that once government reaches into the grocery cart, your business could be next,” said Kevin Keane, executive vice president of the American Beverage Association.

    The coalition, operating under the name Americans Against Food Taxes, included the soft-drink makers, their suppliers, and such mass marketers as McDonald's and Domino's Pizza.

    Using the argument that higher food and drink taxes would unfairly burden poor people, the coalition recruited a bevy of Latino groups, among them the Hispanic Alliance for Prosperity, the National Hispana Leadership Institute, and the League of United Latin American Citizens.

    Public health analysts were surprised to find that the list included the National Hispanic Medical Association, which represents 36,000 Latino doctors and focuses on health issues such as obesity-related diabetes that's hitting Latino youth especially hard.

    “Why in the world would a Hispanic health advocacy group do this?” asked Kelly Brownell, the director of Yale University's Rudd Center on Food Policy and Obesity.

    Nearly all the Hispanic groups, including the Medical Association, had received beverage industry money in the past or have industry representatives on their governing boards.

    The Medical Association's director, Dr. Elena Rios, said the financial support — which amounted to no more than $10,000 from a single company — had nothing to do with the decision to oppose the tax, which she and the other Latino groups agreed would hurt minority communities. She also said the evidence is not clear that the tax would effectively reduce obesity. (On Friday Rios said her organization had decided to withdraw from the industry coalition).

    “It's all about payback,” Brownell said, referring to industry donations. “Public health advocates ran into the same phenomena when seeking to increase taxes on tobacco.”

    The coalition launched an intense lobbying effort, including a $10 million television ad campaign in key markets warning against taxing food. The paper industry, a major supplier of fast food companies, also contacted members of Congress. Even some truckers joined the fight.

    By the time the Democratic caucus held its next closed-door meeting in early summer, Sanchez said the atmosphere had changed. That assessment was shared by Pascrell and some committee staffers.

    Rep. John Lewis, the civil rights pioneer who represents Atlanta, the corporate headquarters of Coca Cola, argued that the soda tax could lead to taxes on other foods, raising prices for hard-pressed consumers during a severe recession. If you begin taxing one sugar product, where do you draw the line? he asked.

    Rep. Ron Kind, who represents a rural Wisconsin district where dairy farming is widespread, said he became concerned about the fairness of targeting one industry. Kind had heard from local Pepsi and Coke distributors and he and other members also received letters from the National Milk Producers Association concerned that the proposed tax could apply to chocolate milk.

    “We went from having real interest in this idea to it just falling off the table,” Sanchez said. “It was my perception that opposition increased as members began hearing from local businesses” that were part of the beverage industry coalition.

    While winning its battle at the Ways and Means Committee, the soft drink industry was also waging a long-term war over the scientific evidence linking soda consumption to the nationwide epidemic of obesity.

    In a two-pronged campaign, the industry attacked the findings of prominent nutrition scientists and underwrote studies by other scientists whose work was more supportive of beverage companies' claims.

    Among the outspoken scientists criticized by the beverage association are Yale's Brownell and Harold Goldstein, who heads the California Center for Public Health Advocacy.

    “Sugared beverages are the single largest source of sugar added to the American diet,” said Brownell, noting that consumption averages 50 gallons a year for every American.

    Goldstein recently joined with researchers at UCLA in a survey of 43,000 Californians that found adults who drink one or more sodas per day are 27 percent more likely than non-soda drinkers to be overweight or obese.

    Both scientists have equated the beverage industry campaign to tactics employed by the tobacco industry in defense of smoking.

    Keane of the American Beverage Association said researchers like Brownell and Goldstein are acting as advocates.

    “Cigarettes kill. Soda doesn't,” Keane said. “They pick and choose the facts that support their view and they attack anyone who disagrees,” including those whose work appears in peer reviewed journals, Keane said. “It's scientific McCarthyism.”

    The American Beverage Association Web site for the campaign against the soda tax points to three studies in peer reviewed journals that dispute a link between soda and obesity.

    One was conducted by an author working for Archer Daniels Midland, a major producer of high fructose corn syrup. Two were conducted by a researcher who now works for the Beverage Association; one of those studies was funded by a grant from the association.

    Despite the funding source, “the researchers worked independently and their findings were published in a peer-reviewed journal. That's the gold standard in the scientific community,” Keane said.

    Some of the studies Keane cites point to sedentary lifestyles and high-fat diets as significant causes of weight gain. And, largely through reviews of previously published studies, they say that the existing science on soft drinks' role is at best unclear.

    Keane also says that soda accounts for just over 5 percent of the average American's calorie intake, and that blaming soda for the obesity epidemic “defies common sense.”

    Goldstein says the industry is blaming obesity on physical inactivity — “that it's the couch, not the can.”

    But one of the reasons Americans need more exercise “is because they're drinking so much soda,” Goldstein said.
    What soda says to our bodies

    One theory that has been embraced by Goldstein and others is that the body has not developed a system for processing sugared beverages, which are relatively new to the human diet. One study found that kids who drank soft drinks consumed nearly 200 more calories per day.

    The beverage industry rejects the argument that liquid calories lead to greater weight gain pointing to a study conducted by Frank Sacks, a professor in the nutrition department at Harvard School of Public Health. The study sought to determine whether certain diets are more effective than others at achieving weight loss. Sacks concluded that diets that reduce calorie intake result in weight loss, regardless of which calories are cut.

    Keane argues that the study proves his point, that “a calorie is a calorie,” regardless of whether it's consumed in solid or liquid form.

    But Sacks disagrees. “I don't know how they possibly could come up with that kind of interpretation,” Sacks said. “There was no testing of sugar-containing beverages and in fact the participants were taught to avoid them.”

    The industry has also cultivated an unusual relationship with the American Association of Family Physicians, sending a contribution “in the high six figures,” AAFP president Dr. Douglas Henley acknowledged, to underwrite “educational materials to help consumers make informed decisions.”

    Henley said “content development is completely independent” of the funding.

    Harvard School of Public Health professor Walter Willett criticized the information on the association's Web site as “misleading and incomplete.” The Web site advises men not to consume more than one can of soda per day, an amount, according to Willett, that “will substantially increase risk of Type 2 diabetes.”

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/health/6856691.html
     
  2. thadeus

    thadeus Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2003
    Messages:
    8,313
    Likes Received:
    726
    The billionaires and millionaires who run/own Pepsi and Coca Cola appreciate you looking out for their interests Shovel Head.
     
  3. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost not wrong
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2003
    Messages:
    47,366
    Likes Received:
    16,862
    Shovel Face thinks he is standing up for liberty, or something.

    And he kind of is.

    However, at this point, America has failed the personal responsibility test.

    As somebody who works in the fitness industry, I have mixed emotions about "fat taxes".

    It's basically tough love from the government, and in most cases I would oppose levying taxes for such a reason, but if anyone deserves it, the garbage-food barons do. And if it is going to pay for health care, even better.
     
  4. Shovel Face

    Shovel Face Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2009
    Messages:
    724
    Likes Received:
    44
    Ah, Yes. The time for personal responsibility, choice and liberty has passed in the USA. We are in a new glorious post-Obama era where the simpleton BOOFs dictate your food and drink consumption. Be a drain on the socialist system, and you will be punished. It is what's best for you.
     
  5. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost not wrong
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2003
    Messages:
    47,366
    Likes Received:
    16,862
    When it comes to food, we fail.
     
  6. LScolaDominates

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2007
    Messages:
    1,834
    Likes Received:
    81
    Shortly after this photo was taken, the eagle, having treated herself from a puddle of spilled soda, lost control of her bowls and soiled the flag beneath her.
     
    1 person likes this.
  7. Sooner423

    Sooner423 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2002
    Messages:
    5,122
    Likes Received:
    1,054
    Awesome! Repped
     
  8. Oski2005

    Oski2005 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2001
    Messages:
    18,100
    Likes Received:
    447
  9. droxford

    droxford Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2001
    Messages:
    10,092
    Likes Received:
    1,539
    This is all garbage.

    There was never a chance that sodas would be taxed, and there never will be.

    This is just some special interest group wanting to be heard.

    Think about it - if they were going to tax perishable food products in an attempt do dissuade over-consumption or poor health practices, there are an infinite number of areas where the government might do so: Twinkies, Bacon, margarine, anything with trans-fat,

    No - this was all just a bunch of nonsense.
     
  10. moestavern19

    moestavern19 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 1999
    Messages:
    39,003
    Likes Received:
    3,637
    Another win for corporate America! YEAH!


    Can't wait to see the Pepsi and Coke Super Bowl ads next year!


    HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP FOR ALL!


    You corn-eating bastards.

    All of you.


    Soon our brains will be turned into a nice corny mush until you dumb**** realize the error of your neo-maxi zoon dweebie ways.
     
  11. Ubiquitin

    Ubiquitin Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Messages:
    17,417
    Likes Received:
    11,903
    What moes said.
     
  12. MoonDogg

    MoonDogg Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 1999
    Messages:
    5,167
    Likes Received:
    495
    [​IMG]
     
  13. Northside Storm

    Northside Storm Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2007
    Messages:
    11,262
    Likes Received:
    450
    Score a victory for the end of another war on words.

    Patiently waiting for the War on Sex, Drugs and Terrorism to end though.

    Honestly, when it comes to soda at least which really is pretty much a luxury, I really don't think any of us should take on the burden of those irresponsible enough to over-consume and become big walking healthcare liabilities. Score a victory for personal responsibility (isn't that the typical conservative line? but meh) and implement consequences for being unreasonably overweight.

    For starters...

    Don't ask, don't tell?

    Don't want to sound like an *******, but if you're in favor of homosexuals being banned from the army then it only makes sense that fat people should be refused as well. I want to see a repeal of that horrendous law so that this and other double standards don't apply, but honestly it makes so much more sense to ban overweight people from the military.
     
  14. meh

    meh Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2002
    Messages:
    15,368
    Likes Received:
    2,242
    It's pretty sad that we live in a world where massive amount of sugar actually ISN'T the worst thing to your health.

    Corn syrup is indeed the devil.
     
  15. Shovel Face

    Shovel Face Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2009
    Messages:
    724
    Likes Received:
    44

    When did I say I was in favor of homosexuals being banned from the army?

    Did cokes get more calories added between 1988 and 2003?

    You don't want to take on the burden of those irresponsible enough to over-consume and become big walking health care liabilities? Then get rid of Medicare, Medicaid and any talk of socialized medicine.

    If you want to blame something, blame people spending more time online and on computers. Maybe you and the BOOFs can find a way to tax that for the good of the BOOF national interest.
     
  16. Steve_Francis_rules

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 1999
    Messages:
    8,467
    Likes Received:
    300
    The difference with soda is that unlike many of those other items, it has absolutely no redeeming qualities nutritionally. Bacon, for example, at least has protein.
     
  17. Steve_Francis_rules

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 1999
    Messages:
    8,467
    Likes Received:
    300
    This only works until you consider the fact that even under private insurance, we all pay when other people are a drain on the system. And if those people don't have insurance, the amount we pay is even worse, because hospitals aren't going to just let them die when they have a medical emergency.
     
  18. Northside Storm

    Northside Storm Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2007
    Messages:
    11,262
    Likes Received:
    450
    I should specify that you in this case was not directed at you, Shovel Face, Internet poster #434898 but the silent minority (or maybe even majority?) that has served to keep this heinous "don't ask, don't tell" law on the books for the last couple of years or so. If this establishment was perfectly rational, then excluding fat people from the army only makes sense given their line of thinking.

    That said, way to throw the baby out with the bathwater. "Oh, you think people should be penalized for being fat? WELL THEN. No healthcare for anyone!" how does this even make sense. I'm an advocate for socialized medicine but I am also a firm believer in personal responsibility. The two are not mutually exclusive. Heavy penalties for drinking and driving does not come hand in hand with banning alcohol. If you're going to abuse the system then the system has every right to abuse you in the form of taxation and penalties, simple as that. Too many good things are ruined by a small minority of assholes. If you consume junk and become a fat bathtub of diseases, I do think that as a human being you deserve the basic care you need...but that you should also not be so easily rewarded for essentially being an abuser.

    And essentially, I don't favor a tax on soda. I'm not blaming soda for obesity. I'm blaming obesity for obesity. If you think the internet causes obesity, fine for you. Not interested in the root cause...just how to limit the effect.
     
  19. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,417
    Likes Received:
    28,913
    While I'm no Shovel Face fan
    I am a bit glad this did not pass

    I seriously don't like how we pick and choose which vices
    are tolerable and whick are not

    Tobacco was the 1st to fall. Next HFCS. Then what next Sugar, Salt, bacon, etc.

    I find it highly interesting that some mar1juana folx [people who want it legalized , not necessarily anyone in this thread] supports these types of measure.
    It is basically saying. . MY VICE GOOD . . YOUR VICE BAD

    Are we a society where the government doesn't tell us what to eat, drink and think . .. but it basically does because it will tax the hell out of you if you don't think, eat, drink like it thinks you should.

    Are we PAYING for freedom now? Is the ability to be free now MORE CONTINGENT on your ability to PAY for said things?

    Rocket River
     
  20. Steve_Francis_rules

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 1999
    Messages:
    8,467
    Likes Received:
    300
    They're not necessarily saying "My vice is good, yours is bad." They're saying, my vice is probably no worse than yours, yet I can be thrown in prison, while absolutely nothing happens to you.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now