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Gallup Poll Finds Israel’s Critics Are Younger, Less Educated, Less Informed And Majority Democrats…

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  1. Anticope

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    Please explain how if someone disapproves of Israel's actions then they are automatically a Hamas supporter. Thanks in advance for your bumper sticker-like reply.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    What do you recommend Israel should do?
     
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    To the students for justice in Palestine, a letter from a black angry woman

    ‘You do not have the right to invoke my people’s struggle for your shoddy purposes’


    A protest led by Students for Justice in Palestine at the University of Maryland, College Park in 2009. (Gerald Martineau/The Washington Post/Getty Images)
    By Chloe Valdary — Jul 28, 2014

    The student organization Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) is prominent on many college campuses, preaching a mantra of “Freeing Palestine.” It masquerades as though it were a civil rights group when it is not. Indeed, as an African-American, I am highly insulted that my people’s legacy is being pilfered for such a repugnant agenda. It is thus high time to expose its agenda and lay bare some of the fallacies they peddle.

    • If you seek to promulgate the legacy of early Islamic colonialists who raped and pillaged the Middle East, subjugated the indigenous peoples living in the region, and foisted upon them a life of persecution and degradation—you do not get to claim the title of “Freedom Fighter.”

    • If you support a racist doctrine of Arab supremacism and wish (as a corollary of that doctrine) to destroy the Jewish state, you do not get to claim that the prejudices you peddle are forms of legitimate “resistance.”

    • If your heroes are clerics who sit in Gaza plotting the genocide of a people; who place their children on rooftops in the hopes they will get blown to bits; who heap praises upon their fellow gang members when they succeed in murdering Jewish school boys and bombing places of activity where Jews congregate—you do not get to claim that you are some Apollonian advocate of human virtue. You are not.

    • If your activities include grieving over the woefully incompetent performance by Hamas rocketeers and the subsequent millions of Jewish souls who are still alive—whose children were not murdered by their rockets; whose limbs were not torn from them; and whose disembowelment did not come into fruition—you do not get to claim that you stand for justice. You profess to be irreproachable. You are categorically not.

    • If your idea of a righteous cause entails targeting and intimidating Jewish students on campus, arrogating their history of exile-and-return and fashioning it in your own likeness you do not get to claim that you do so in the name of civil liberty and freedom of expression.

    • You do not get to champion regimes that murder, torture, and persecute their own people, deliberately keep them impoverished, and embezzle billions of dollar from them—and claim you are “pro-Arab.” You are not.

    • You do not get to champion a system wherein Jews are barred from purchasing land, traveling in certain areas, and living out such an existence merely because they are Jews—and claim that you are promoting equality for all. You do not get to enable that system by pushing a boycott of Jewish owned businesses, shops, and entities—and then claim that you are “against apartheid.” That is evil.

    • You do not get to justify the calculated and deliberate bombings, beatings, and lynchings of Jewish men, women, and children by referring to such heinous occurrences as part of a noble “uprising” of the oppressed—that is racism. It is evil.

    • You do not get to pretend as though you and Rosa Parks would have been great buddies in the 1960s. Rosa Parks was a real Freedom Fighter. Rosa Parks was a Zionist.

    Coretta Scott King was a Zionist.

    A. Phillip Randolph was a Zionist.

    Bayard Rustin was a Zionist.

    Count Basie was a Zionist.

    Dr. Martin Luther King Sr. was a Zionist.

    Indeed, they and many more men and women signed a letter in 1975 that stated: “We condemn the anti-Jewish blacklist. We have fought too long and too hard to root out discrimination from our land to sit idly while foreign interests import bigotry to America. Having suffered so greatly from such prejudice, we consider most repugnant the efforts by Arab states to use the economic power of their newly-acquired oil wealth to boycott business firms that deal with Israel or that have Jewish owners, directors, or executives, and to impose anti-Jewish preconditions for investments in this country.”

    You see, my people have always been Zionists because my people have always stood for the freedom of the oppressed. So, you most certainly do not get to culturally appropriate my people’s history for your own. You do not have the right to invoke my people’s struggle for your shoddy purposes and you do not get to feign victimhood in our name. You do not have the right to slander my people’s good name and link your cause to that of Dr. King’s. Our two causes are diametrically opposed to each other.

    Your cause is the antithesis of freedom. It has cost hundreds of thousands of lives of both Arabs and Jews. It has separated these peoples, and has fomented animosity between them. It has led to heartache, torment, death and destruction.

    It is of course your prerogative to continue to utilize platitudes for your cause. You are entirely within your rights to chant words like “equality” “justice” and “freedom fighter.”

    You can keep using those words for as long as you like. But I do not think you know what they mean.

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  4. Anticope

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    Look, it's a complicated situation, no one is denying that. My point was that it's nothing but lazy, ignorant political propaganda to label someone who questions Israel's tactics as a supporter of Hamas. In fact, he's not just doing that, he's labeling an entire political demographic as supporters of Hamas (or Muslim extremism in general). Either way, the point still stands. Given the poster though, I'm not surprised in the least.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Being critical of some of Israel's actions does not mean being a supporter of Hamas, I give you that for sure.

    But there are some, actually many posters who are so hateful against Israel that it makes it hard to not see them as supporters of Hamas.

    I mean, there is one guy, houstonhoya, who basically just today described the three Israeli teenagers who were kidnapped and murdered as something like enemy combatants. There are other guys like adeelsiddiqui and Hydhypedplaya where the next critical word about Hamas' actions will be the first you hear.

    Hamas is a terrorist organization. Their charter says they want to destroy Israel.

    It comes back to my question "what do you recommend Israel should do". If you are critical of Israel, you should be able to offer a better cause of action than what they are trying to do now, which is to cripple Hamas' military abilities so that Hamas becomes less of a threat to Israel's own civilian population.
     
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    Native American Nations come to mind

    Rocket River
     

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