1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

NBA Refs (Lakers vs. Jazz)

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Nick, Dec 2, 2005.

  1. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    48,057
    Likes Received:
    14,300
    No other sport has this sort of treatment for its superstars.

    One of the many reasons why the NBA has a long way to go to catch up to where it once was. Its one thing to give a guy the benefit of the doubt throughout the game... but its a totally different situation when you're going to bail him out with a phantom call when he's shooting a fadeaway 3 at the buzzer, on the road.

    Yea... I love this game.

    (and don't get me started on what the refs think is a foul in the eyes of defense against Yao Ming, vs. defense against Kobe Bryant).
     
  2. Fuzzybear

    Fuzzybear Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    532
    Likes Received:
    96
    Amen, that call was ludicrous - my roommate who doesn't even really watch bball that much just agreed with me on that call.

    In addition, anyone see the traveling call on Tim Duncan when he got pushed out of bounds? That one was ridiculous too. I just don't understand how the Lakers and Mavs get so many calls.
     
  3. david_rocket

    david_rocket Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2003
    Messages:
    9,484
    Likes Received:
    829
    $$$$$ :mad:
     
  4. MartianMan

    MartianMan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    1,745
    Likes Received:
    3
    I saw that play, and at first it looked like Kobe forced contact with his arm. But after I watched a couple of replays, if you look at the lower half, you'll see there was plenty of contact below and that's why Kobe's body turned and his arm hit the other guy's arm.
     
  5. pippendagimp

    pippendagimp Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2000
    Messages:
    27,021
    Likes Received:
    21,242
    I would have to completely disagree with this after looking at the replay 10+ times. Not only was there zero body contact by the defender, but Kobe clearly kicked his leg out after releasing the shot simply to feign contact. And this was actually after the obvious contact he forced with his right arm.

    Incidentally, this is the same ref, Ron Olesiak, that George Karl just got suspended 2 games over.
     
  6. MartianMan

    MartianMan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    1,745
    Likes Received:
    3
    That's just what I saw. You may be right. But the refs looked over the replay and still gave Kobe the shot, so I guess even though the contact was forced, it's still a foul.
     
  7. yaozilla1

    yaozilla1 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2003
    Messages:
    76
    Likes Received:
    0
    seen that call made before. however not at the end of a game. thats just bs.
     
  8. pippendagimp

    pippendagimp Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2000
    Messages:
    27,021
    Likes Received:
    21,242
    The zebras miss a lot of calls and/or make a lot of superstar calls, but this particular call was especially egregious, IMO. Because of the way the contact was made. Instead of naturally following through his shot downwards after the release, he suddenly swipes his shooting arm to the right and into the defender's arm.

    My guess from the looking at it is that he knew his shot was going to be off, as most players know whether it'll be good or a brick after they let it fly, and so he just tried to manufacture some contact and plead for a foul.

    And as Kenny Smith pointed out, the ref was looking at his feet and the 3pt line initially, and by the time he looked up probably just saw the upper body contact with the defender and decided to blow the whistle. I'm not sure what the rulebook says for the last second replay - whether actual calls can be changed or only the clock and position behind the arc can be reviewed. But in any case, this definitely doesn't look good for the impartiality of the league's officials. Superstar calls are getting out of hand.
     
  9. KeepKenny

    KeepKenny Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2000
    Messages:
    2,721
    Likes Received:
    14
    Sadly the refs could not look at whether it was a foul or not. All they can review is whether it was a 3 point shot, and whether the ball was away in time. Wonder how that felt for that dumb ref to look at that replay over and over again and see how bad he screwed up. I would say that the refs should have the power to see whether a foul occured there, but that would set an ugly precedent. Every game would be reviewed at the end over some contact that inevitably occurs every game. Dumb ref.
     
  10. Nuggets4

    Nuggets4 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 1999
    Messages:
    2,928
    Likes Received:
    32
    This has been, IMO, a brutal season for officiating in the NBA. The refs are just inconsistent as hell. It's taking a lot of the fun out of the game. To prove how bad it is, I used to cringe every time I watched a game where I saw Violet Palmer was officiating. Now, I don't even bother because she's not that much worse than a lot of the other refs out there. That's just sad.
     
  11. reggietodd

    reggietodd Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2005
    Messages:
    2,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    That was a horrible call. Kobe wasn't touched, but he pulled a Reggie Miller with that leg kick. Nice to see the Fakers were still able to pull it out in overtime with Kobe on the bench.
     
  12. JBIIRockets

    JBIIRockets Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2001
    Messages:
    6,358
    Likes Received:
    48
    I watched the whole game pretty much. Kobe got bailed out there for sure, but the Jazz had around 50 Ft attempts.

    why did I watch the entire lakers-jazz game you ask? Bet Over on the O/U, and won! :)
     
  13. lalala902102001

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2002
    Messages:
    6,617
    Likes Received:
    432
    The Jazz got screwed on that call. There was no contact until after the shot was released. Kobe basically leaned into Brown's outstretched arms.

    However, I just can't feel sorry for this Utah team.

    Deron Williams is going to be a fine PG in this league, though.
     
  14. tierre_brown

    tierre_brown Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2003
    Messages:
    2,983
    Likes Received:
    67
    I thought Devin Brown stepped on Kobe's toes? Either way, it was a horrible call...disgusting that the Jazz lost that way
     
  15. Mack

    Mack Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 1999
    Messages:
    1,737
    Likes Received:
    191
    That was a terrible call. Like one of the commentators said, it was one of those games where you hated to see either team win.

    I loved the Kobe bashing in the post-game show. They were asking how many times Chuck, Reggie, and Kenny took 30 or more shots a game.

    Kenny Smith - 0 games- career high of 24 FGA, 41 points
    Reggie Miller - 0 games- career high of 29 FGA, 57 points
    Charles Barkley - 3 games in 16 years - I don't remember his point totals

    Kobe Bryant, THIS SEASON - 7 times in 15 games
     
  16. TMac640

    TMac640 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2005
    Messages:
    5,484
    Likes Received:
    1

    well on Violet Palmer that's easy as to why she makes bad calls
    she's out of her true profession

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    35,169
    Likes Received:
    24,198
    Even the LA media said that was a phantom foul call.
     
  18. francis 4 prez

    francis 4 prez Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2001
    Messages:
    22,025
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    considering this happened to the jazz, i consider it perhaps the greatest call in nba history.
     
  19. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,476
    Likes Received:
    28,961

    as I stated many times
    It is more WHEN THE CALLS are made
    than the amount

    You could shoot 50 FTs to their 10
    but If those 10 constitute 5 fouls on T-mac in the 1st half . . .
    and 2 at the Final seconds of the game. . . YOU GOT SCREWED


    Rocket River
     
  20. pippendagimp

    pippendagimp Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2000
    Messages:
    27,021
    Likes Received:
    21,242

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now