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Better supporting cast? MJ's Bulls/LBJ's Heat

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Shakee, Jun 1, 2014.

  1. Htownballer38

    Htownballer38 Member

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    Easy MJ's Bulls. Plus the coach Phil is 100 times better than Coach Spo.
     
  2. adobo

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    Roslalian....i'll sum it up for you. I really hope you follow....

    The reason MJ is GOAT is we are sitting here typing and NOT making excuses why MJ DIDN'T win 6 rings and 6 finals MVP while being the best player in the league for 8-10 years for the 14 seasons he played.

    The reason why Lebron's case for being GOAT is pretty much shut because we are making excuses here why he has lost more finals than he has won (2 out of 5).


    Lebron is a great player(one of the best of all time), a great role model and a great person (which is more important than being great on the court)....but to be held up in the same level as GOAT as a NBA player, you have to be almost perfect, which Jordan did. It's not Lebron's fault, It was MJ, he set the bar really really high as an NBA player.
     
  3. Shaud

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    Bringing up all of Lebron finals losses is petty. Out of the 3 losses he is to blame for them losing 1 of those series.
     
  4. jsmee2000

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    In retrospect, the Bulls...however, in paper, the Heat should be a better supporting cast.
     
  5. PhatPharaoh

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    not necessarily true. this series his defense was subpar, and although he put up great stats, most were when the games were out of reach. Also, aside from games 2/5 I wouldn't really say he had any "above average" performances according to his standards. Also, in several games he seemed disengaged both offensively and defensively; he needed to be more aggressive and tried to take over games himself, rather than getting his teammates involved. I would've liked to see him take 30 shots in a game or so, rather than trying to let wade/bosh/role players dictate the outcome of the game instead of imposing his will on it. If he was able to do that for 1 or 2 more games even (he did in game 2), this series would have been much closer.
     
  6. albuster

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    Amen to your posts. Very accurate and the most informed post in this thread.
     
  7. jsmee2000

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    Reading is Fun-da-mental! (NBA old-school tune)
    Where in this post do I discuss someone for you to reply with HIS. The question was about the supporting cast...
     
  8. PhatPharaoh

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    Sorry, I clicked reply to the wrong post. Meant that as a reply to:

    Shaud's post:
     
  9. albuster

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    It is not sensible to read points averages over a period of time and start drawing conclusions without considering the variables that are the basis for any analysis. There were so many factors that have to be considered before one could read anything from those numbers. For instance, the game rules, the philosophies behind the offense and defense of both teams, the quality of individual players and teams, etc.
    Numbers do not tell you anything unless you examine using pre determined premises and variables. Even then, most likely, the conclusions may turn out to be, inconclusive. Of course, this tendency to look at numbers and make outright conclusions ignited during Morey's tenure but just because Morey, for instance, can crank up reams of data, doesn't mean his analysis and conclusions in the basketball context are always accurate. I would argue the opposite, that too much use of numbers in basketball decisions and analysis distorts the essence of basketball itself. It is a game made up of thinking, breathing and emotional human beings after all. Just look at the Spurs.
     
  10. ln3012

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    they weren't fine even before playing the Spurs. the Heat this year were probably the 4th or 5th best team in the league. even without the Spurs in the picture there's a good shot this Heat team wouldn't have made it to Finals or even WCF if they were in the other conference. heck, they would have had trouble in the first round just like the Spurs did. we know how great Lebron has played so it's pretty clear the supporting cast is nowhere near the Bulls'
     
  11. albuster

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    John Salley was one of the original Pistons "Bad Boys". He won two rings with the Pistons.
     
  12. albuster

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    The only people who would post something like this are Rockets fans. The best person to ask how great Pippen was is Phil Jackson.
     
  13. albuster

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    It would be funny if you could go to Pop and ask the PER of his players? I bet you would get a death scare and get scoffed at. If anyone watched the Spurs-Heat series you can throw all that PER stuff out the window.
     
  14. albuster

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    Jordan a specialist? Well, his only specialization was winning. Maybe you need to be told that Jordan, in one season, was season MVP, Scoring Champion, DPOY and Finals MVP, all of them in one season. I don't think scoring, as you implied in your post, is his only specialty. A lot of younger folks should really, if they have time, watch the championship games of the Bulls Dynasty before the make comparisons to Jordan, and even Pippen. That should open their eyes to what basketball greatness really means.
     

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