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Islamic doctrine of "Hijra" - immigration as a weapon for islamic expansionism?

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    I read some articles about this and was reminded of some posts by Mathloom, in which he said something like "good luck, you will be outnumbered" and "immigrants have no duty to adapt". I found these posts curious, but thinking of them in context of what I read about "Hijra" it seemed like he was clearly aware of the agenda of islamic immigration as a "trojan horse".

    I'm interested in comments on this, is this concept something our muslim posters are aware of?

    Bring on the insults...


    Modern Day Trojan Horse: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration

    Within the past few decades, mosques have increasingly dotted the landscapes of American and European cities and towns, with mega mosques often overshadowing adjacent, centuries-old churches in predominantly Christian regions. Islamic schools or academies and a host of Muslim organizations have become omnipresent across the West.

    Meanwhile, Americans and Europeans have made countless accommodations to Muslim demands. They have included footbaths; high-decibel, five-times-daily calls to prayer; segregated male-female gym and swimming pool hours; halal food; workplace dispensations for handling pork products and for female head and face coverings; and special, public prayer rooms. Also, shari'ah-compliant financial transactions, the expunging of offensive likenesses of Mohammed or imagined depictions of Arabic characters that connote "Allah," official swearings-in on Korans in place of customary Bibles, the neutralizing of official descriptive language about Islamists and the jihad, the revision of so-called offensive content in movies and television programs, the removal of representations of pigs from the public sphere, and many other acculturations to Muslim entreaties have all been made in the service of respecting Muslim religious beliefs and practices.

    To those in Western democracies, these accommodating actions appear, on the surface, to be little more than harmless civil gestures, respecting the needs of a growing religion in their midst and welcoming a new addition to their proud, multicultural tradition. Many Westerners pat themselves on the back for their liberal bent, their tolerance and their open-mindedness.

    Little do they realize that this strategic pattern of demands is part of an insidious, 1,400-year-old proscription for Muslims that originates in the Koran and the Sunnah, the deeds of Mohammed. It is the Hijra or doctrine of immigration. Modeled by Mohammed's migration from Mecca to Medina, this immigration is not to a romanticized melting pot wherein newcomers gratefully search for opportunities for a better life in liberty and freely offer their talents and loyalty to benefit their new homeland. This is immigration for Islamic expansionism employing ethnic separatism to gain special status and privileges within the host country. Hijra is immigration designed to subvert and subdue non-Muslim societies and pave the way for eventual, total Islamization.


    In their compelling book, "Modern Day Trojan Horse: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration," authors Sam Solomon, a former professor of shari'ah law and convert to Christianity, and Elias Al Maqdisi, an expert on Islamic teachings, explain the migration of Muslims to the Dar-al-Harb, the "land of war," as a religious edict with a basis in Islamic doctrine. They delineate the step-by-step process of this 1,400-year-old strategy of conquest. It is a transitional strategy which they characterize as the most important step in spreading Islam and preparing for jihad. From their carefully delineated treatise on Hijra, it is clear that migration in concert with military conquest comprise the bookends of Islamic expansionism.

    Solomon and Al Maqdisi review the phases of the Hijra and its juristic or legal basis in Islamic doctrine. Under the cover of taquiya or deception, the step-by-step methodology of the migration process is designed to subdue, then, subjugate the host culture, culminating in implementation of shari'ah law.

    The beginning phase of Islamization usually includes activities pivotal to building a physical presence. It consists of public calls to prayer; founding of schools, libraries and research centers; and the teaching of Arabic -- actions that appear to be reasonable and respectable infrastructure requirements necessary to support the presence of a faith. At this point in the Hijra, it is permissible for Muslims to engage in haram, or forbidden actions, out of necessity to establish and empower the umma or Muslim community. Koranic rules such as the prohibition against friendships with infidels are suspended while the objectives of future Islamization are systematically put into place. In its initial phase, the Hijra passes scrutiny by the West whose citizens erroneously view the migration as mainly economic -- a pilgrimage for a better life.

    Solomon and Maqdisi examine the comprehensive strategy that begins with the establishment of the umma or Muslim community. The mosque becomes the locus of power, a strategic base and the center of all activities. They explain how in this embryonic phase, a top priority is the scouting for new arrivals to expand and empower the existing Muslim community. Muslim leaders offer solicitous assistance and helpful suggestions for schools, housing, mosque worship, halal markets and other services to ingratiate themselves with new arrivals and bring them into the local Muslim community. Agents of local mosques, ever alert for new immigrants and potential converts, engage in subtle forms of indoctrination and police local Muslims.

    This first step of establishing the mosque as the center of local Islamic life and activities is mistakenly viewed by non-Muslims as merely the benign construction of houses of worship. Its true goal escapes notice, that of firmly establishing a purposeful non-integrated Muslim identity to advance the goal of Islamization.

    Once the consolidation of the Muslim community occurs under the radar, the purposeful fight for special status and shari'ah follows. As dictated by the Koran and Sunnah, segregation from non-Muslims is a natural outcome of the advancement of the Hijra.

    Visible changes begin to be apparent as the Muslim population achieves more of a critical mass. Over time, the dress code, often beginning with a hijab in segregated enclaves and moving toward the complete covering of a neqab in the public sphere, separates Muslim women from men and from non-Muslim women. Eventually, as the host population becomes familiarized with what they believe to be the requirements of religious piety, demands are made for segregation at public facilities, in the workplace and at schools and universities. Requests for halal food, shari'ah-compliant financial transactions and the addition of Muslim holidays to public calendars further elevate the Muslim community with a special status making them separate and distinct.

    All demands are initially presented as benign attempts to accommodate the religious requirements of devout Muslims. Any actions to suppress them are decried as religious discrimination. In the United States, requests for separate swimming and gym hours for Muslim men and women, demands for identification photos for licenses for women wearing hijabs and refusals to handle pork products or don immodest dress in the workplace have appeared. At this point, representatives of the Muslim community are often working cooperatively with the host government to bring about change. As Solomon and Maqdisi explain, the idea is to get the host society accustomed to Muslim buildings, customs, holidays, dress and food. Newcomers are encouraged by Muslim leadership to become citizens, vote and run for political office to increase the umma's influence.

    At the university level, students are indoctrinated to become advocates for Islam, engage in interfaith activities and da'wa or proselytization and train for jihad. Non-Muslims professors are solicited through zakat or payments to present courses favorable to Islam and write and speak publicly to promote Islam. The bequeathal by Saudi Prince Al-waleed bin Talal of $20 million dollars for Islamic study centers at Harvard and Georgetown universities, respectively, was a gesture to insure the promulgation of positive research, publications and presentations toward Islam.

    In "Modern Day Trojan Horse," Solomon and Maqdisi point out that as Muslims gain power and mass in the host country, consolidation of identity occurs, as well as strengthening of their infrastructure of mosques, schools, clubs, organizations and media. The doctrine of taquiya is firmly in place as Muslims hide behind the dictates of their religious devotion and seek cultural changes in the land of the non-Muslim or kuffar. At this more advanced stage, attempts are made to silence opponents and curry favor. The judicious use of zakat elicits favorable views of Muslims and Islam from politicians, representatives from the media and other organizations. For example, within the last couple of years in the United States, the words, "jihad" and "Islamofascism," have been expunged from the lexicon of government officials and the words, "Islamic" and "terrorism," are rarely paired. In Europe, which is further advanced in this process, a dangerous turn materialized with the murder of filmmaker ,Theo Van Gogh, who produced a film on the subjugation of women in Islam, and with death threats against Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilder for his outspoken criticism of Islam.

    As Islamization of the host culture proceeds apace, preparations begin for learning the skills necessary for jihad. Young jihadists may travel to their countries of origin for further indoctrination and terrorist training. This development has been noted within Somali Muslim communities in Minnesota and Tennessee. Young Muslims have disappeared to Somalia to rendezvous with Al Shabaab, a terrorist group linked to Al Qaeda.

    As the resident Muslim community becomes more established and begins to wield considerable power in the political arena, pressure is brought to bear on politicians to permit shari'ah law courts in exchange for Muslim votes. This is very much evident in Britain where parallel systems of legal jurisprudence currently coexist. Muslim inhabitants of the host country are pressured to follow shari'ah law in lieu of the prevailing legal system. Several recent legal decisions by non-Muslim judges in Europe have referenced shari'ah law as a standard for verdicts concerning Muslims.

    As the intensity of the hijra advances, the appearance of open ghettos or Muslim-only regions occurs. These are areas where non-Muslims are essentially prohibited and where, if they enter, they actually may be physically threatened. Such no-go zones, where even non-Muslim community workers are unwelcome, exist throughout Europe today. Remarkably, Muslim movements are never restricted; they venture freely anywhere in the host country.

    As Solomon and Maqdisi point out, the Hijra is a comprehensive and direct political attempt to undermine the culture and values of the host country and replace them with Islam and shari'ah. It is an insidious migration seeking transformation of the culture, behaviors, customs, rules and laws of a host society to spread Islam and establish an Islamic state. The stages of the Hijra are very much evident in varying degrees in all Western societies today. Ironically, our open democratic societies with constitutionally mandated freedoms of speech, religion and assembly have facilitated this march toward the very demise of our way of life.

    "Modern Day Trojan Horse" should be required reading for all citizens of Western democracies who urgently need to understand the Hijra and the threat it represents. The book sounds the alarm for the cautious evaluation of what may appear to be innocent religious practice in our midst but has sinister motives to transform our societies forever.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/the_hijra.html
     
  2. Eric Riley

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    So a few days go by without an Islam-bashing D&D thread and you just can't hold it in, huh?

    Honest question for you: with topics like these, are you really trying to hold a genuine conversation here? And I don't mean here as in this particular moment and in this particular thread. I mean in general in the D&D.
     
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  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Honest answer: Yes. Any comments on the topic at hand?
     
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    Wait, let me get this right. Our nation, which is predominantly Christianity, wishes to complain of another religion of trying to spread doctrine?
     
  5. Mathloom

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    Ofcourse that's what I meant.

    What else would I mean? I want Islam to be the dominant religion and Sharia to be the law all over the world.

    Jeez, I thought I'd made that obvious by now. It's like you're not even listening to me ATW.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    One criticism I would have with the article is that it makes it seem like there is a giant conspiracy in which all muslim immigrants are involved. That is obviously nonsense.

    However, it does not appear too far-fetched that the proponents of a more radical islam (e.g., the Wahhabists) would follow a strategy as described in the article, and would find a justification for it by trying to trace it back to the Quran and Mohammed's own immigration to Medina.

    By the way, nice evasive response again, Mathloom. If I could search, I could quote the parts of your posts where you said the things I quoted from memory in the OP.
     
  7. Mathloom

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    Or you could quote the entire posts and not take my words out of context, which would be the ethical thing to do.

    Oh and btw:

    - The Hijra was done out of necessity because the Muslims were about to literally be wiped off the face of the earth, and the Medinans invited the Prophet because the non-Muslims agreed that he would be the ideal mediator for the tribal warfare that was killing Medina (known back then as Yathrib).

    - The Prophet PBUH returned back to Mecca to liberate it. Yes, liberate it from slave-trading, baby murdering, and the fraudulent leaders of Quraysh. Oh, did I mention he was from the same tribe as them but broke ties because he didn't share their oppressive values?

    You have a hugely pessimistic view of Islam and you insist on painting it with a negative brush at all costs. An enormous portion of this board can see that you have genuine hatred towards Islam, yet you seem to be oblivious to it. The first thought popping into your head right now is probably "well this board is dominated by Muslims", which is typically delusional of someone like you. Ofcourse you will deny it now, but I don't really care as long as others see you for the bigot you are and you continuously erode your credibility on the topic to the point where your posts on Islam will become insiginificant even if one day you possibly say something which is truly problematic about Islam.

    In the history of mankind, the poor and oppressed travel to the bigger economies and try to establish themselves there. It's no different than anywhere else at any other point in history. But you capture this specific point in history where Muslims are the oppressed and the poor, and you believe that there is something particularly colonial about it. How ironic.

    Also, just to make it crystal clear, I don't believe anyone owns any country to the extent that immigrants can be viewed as invaders, not Germany and not Saudi Arabia. I also don't think that anyone should be made to conform to a culture, not in Germany and not in Saudi Arabia.

    How about one day you try to see the world through the eyes of an Arab who is leading a good, decent life, rather than through the eyes of a colonialist cultural neo-nazi who is insecure about his freedoms, probably due to his lack of confidence in the authorities' ability to protect them. Of all the Muslims in the world, a tiny fraction of a percentage of them are physically violent. If you are so worried about people's internal violent beliefs, I don't see you speaking out about the settlers in Israel, who are being ignored by a government that is heavily supported by your country. I don't hear you posting the article about the racist central banker in your country who publicly says that immigrants are reducing the IQ of Germany (a loaded statement, made with a disgusted tone).

    No. Your concern is just Muslims. Nothing else. You don't care about Rwandans. You don't care about Nigerians, except the Muslim ones. You don't care about North Koreans. You don't care about Iranians. You don't care about human rights. You only care about anything negativity you can muster out of Islam.

    But the moment some random Muslim complains about a dog commercial, you are worried that they will take over your life within the next 24 hours.

    Shockingly, the few times you have met Muslims who drink, you liked them. What are the chances. THOSE are the good ones.

    For F's sake, open your eyes and see that you are either:

    a) tomorrow's terrorist; or
    b) creating tomorrow's terrorist.

    Wake up.

    Oh, and let me type out your standard replies so you can just pick one instead of typing it out:

    1) I'm too hammered to respond.
    2) "Bla bla bla". Stop blabbering.
    3) You are ignoring the important thing. ( lol @ continuous delusion)
    4) "[Insert any 3 word combination which can be taken out of context]." - YOU SEE, I TOLD YOU HE WANTS TO KILL US ALL.

    You never propose a solution. You never read the Quranic verses which you condemn people with. You never change your mind. You always find the negative in an Islam-related story, whether it constitutes 0.1% or 99% of the story. You're a broken record. Maybe you should stop yapping about Islam and listen to yourself for once. You might find that the problem is not around your neck, but inside your head.
     
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  8. AroundTheWorld

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    Okay, only about 3 % of your hate-filled rant above were about the topic at hand, the rest was about attacking the messenger.

    So you are basically saying that what the authors of the book referenced in the article I quoted say is all a lie? One of them is an ex-muslim and a former professor of sharia law.

    Didn't you say yourself that the Wahhabists have an agenda of spreading their form of islam throughout the world (e.g., Indonesia)? Would the method described in the article not be how they do it?
     
  9. Eric Riley

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mathloom again.
     
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    Any comment on the topic at hand or are you just going to keep whining about the messenger?

    Also, giving reputation for a post that calls me a future terrorist seems to say quite a bit about you.
     
  11. AroundTheWorld

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    If you are concerned about tomorrow's terrorist, better look here:

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5607647&postcount=190
     
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    Christians have no moral high ground on this topic.
     
  14. glynch

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    How long till you join some anti-immigrant tea party level group on Germany?

    Maybe you can join the leadership group as the best educated.

    At least you aren't blaming everything on the Jews.
     
  15. glynch

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    Duplicate.
     
  16. AroundTheWorld

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    So far, only Mathloom has somewhat addressed the question about "hijra". Everyone else (and Mathloom himself, of course, too, but to his credit, he did state his view of what "hijra" means) seems to be a lot more concerned with attacking the messenger.

    How about reading the article and addressing/criticizing/refuting/confirming what it says?

    By the way, I have in the meantime googled Sam Solomon, and to be fair, having looked at a Youtube video of him speaking, he seems to be somewhat fanatical in his criticism of Islam, he seems to be a rather fanatical Christian now, so perhaps he exaggerates in the negative direction when he talks about Islam.

    But I would really appreciate it if people with knowledge could comment on whether there is some truth to at least some groups following the doctrine of "hijra" as described in the article, or if not, why you would consider what the article says false.
     
  17. glynch

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    Another take on Afghanistan. One you won't get on Fox or even the minstream media. It seems particularly relevant now that we see more and more of a nuclear armed Pakistan hating us as we keep bombing them and fomenting a civil war. the Paskistani government may not be able to control the hatred of the majority toward us and they will keep cutting our main land supply route as we see now with the burning of our fuel trucks heading toward Afghanistan.

    Nice going Bush and Obama.
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    Pakistani Gen. Gul on Why the US Cannot Win in Afghanistan

    Tod Fletcher, October 01, 2010
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    This interview with Pakistani General (ret.) Hamid Gul, by Bonnie Faulkner, took place on Wednesday, September 8, 2010 on the radio show “Guns and Butter,” KPFA-FM. To read the full transcript and hear the clip, scroll down for more info.

    In this important interview, Gen. Hamid Gul explains that the US war in Afghanistan was doomed from the start. As a military professional with a distinguished career, he identifies the key factors that determine success or failure in war, and shows that the US is failing in almost every area.

    Gen. Gul outlines the precariousness of the lines of communication depended upon by US forces (logistics), due to their length from Karachi to Afghanistan and susceptibility to frequent attack by a hostile population in Pakistan. He then surveys the intelligence failure, recently exposed in the WikiLeaks Afghan war materials, due to the almost total lack of reliable human intelligence and the uselessness of signals intelligence in a country like Afghanistan. He is especially critical of the increasing mixture of military and intelligence personnel, with their different training and skills, in the intelligence-collection effort, and the desperate resort to private contractors for intelligence.

    Gen. Gul criticizes the failure on the part of US war planners to assess the nature of the enemy in Afghanistan, a people who never give up. He concludes that the resolve and resilience of the Taliban was seriously underestimated by the Pentagon. Further, the US has supported and tried to utilize corrupt elements of Afghan society to pursue its war aims, but that these people are completely unreliable. His principal example is the US employment of a local warlord, Hazrat Ali, which resulted in the escape of Osama bin Laden from Tora Bora.

    Gul shows that the objectives of the US military have changed. The first objective, the capture of Osama bin Laden, failed. So a new objective was declared, to defeat the Taliban. Gul argues that all military thinkers from Sun Tzu to MacArthur have insisted on the selection and maintenance of a single objective, and that to change the goalposts is to guarantee defeat.

    He then shows that the US cannot use its superior firepower because it cannot locate targets to attack; that it has a great disadvantage in manpower, as fighters are flocking to the resistance forces because they “smell victory”; that the Taliban control the countryside, with the US forces squeezed into garrison towns from which “they dare not venture”; and that time is on the side of the resistance, as the US cannot stay there forever. He makes a strong case that the Taliban are fully supported by the population throughout the country, and therefore the US cannot defeat them without defeating the entire Afghan people.

    He goes on to compare the US occupation to that of the Soviet Union, and shows the considerable advantages the Soviet Union had over the current NATO forces. Yet, the Soviet Union was trounced. Gul says that if instead of 40,000 additional troops, the US were to send 400,000, it would still lose the war.

    He concludes with a description of the corruption of the Afghan puppet government and the US reconstruction efforts, and the astonishing resurgence of opium production in the country, surmising that the opium is flown out of the country on US transport planes to Europe and the United States with the full knowledge of the highest US government officials.

    To read the full transcript, go to gunsandbutter.org. To listen to the audio of the show, go to http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/63837.
    http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2010/10/01/pakistani-gen-gul-on-why-the-us-cannot-win-in-afghanistan/
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    Sorry glynch, but what does that have to do with this thread? :confused:
     
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    You are correct. Got distracted and that article was meant to be a new, separate thread.
     
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    Yet you are propagating that.

    So what you dismiss initially as obvious nonsense you then come back to support. If you feel this is nonsense then you should be able to note that this article is taking something historical out of context and using it to advance a paranoid agenda. It would be like taking "Manifest Destiny" and using that to argue that American tourists are the vanguard of an American take over of the rest of the World.

    I would lump this piece with the various other anti-immigrant screeds we have seen such as that Jewish immigrants are a fifth column, Mexican immigrants (illegal and otherwise) are a fifth column, Chinese coming here to have born, ala Sen. Lindsey Graham, are a fifth column and etc... Fear and distrust of immigrants are as old as human history and as widespread.
     

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