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Baylor University Sexual Assault Scandal Mega Thread

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Brando2101, Jun 13, 2016.

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Your advice is that if someone is bothered so much by this situation then they should just look the other way? Probably not the best advice in this particular discussion.
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No, we shouldn't just look away. That's why a lot of people were fired with millions paid out while losing a number of prized recruits. Baylor took action. It won't be enough for everyone.

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Don't watch when they're on. Problem solved if Baylor football bothers you so much.
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What bothers me "so much" is Baylor being okay with their football players raping and assaulting young women.

#162 Nook, Aug 4, 2016
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It won't happen, but it is getting to the point where they should just take the football program away.
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If they didn't do it to Penn St they won't do it to Baylor, unless there are grounds for federal lawsuits against the institution via Title IX and whatnot.

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Should have stayed at Texas.
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Yeah, that's the thing though, Coach Strong doesn't tolerate sh!tbags, he belonged at Baylor.

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Baylor took action.
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Like ****ing hell. They did nothing until they were forced to. Stop being such a fanboy and think like a decent human being.

#163 Buck Turgidson, Aug 4, 2016
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No, we shouldn't just look away. That's Hwhy I lot of people were fired with millions paid out while losing a number of prized recruits. Baylor took action. It won't be enough for everyone.
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Should that action have included maybe following up on the sexual assault investigation of Hammad and not going into the season with Rami Hammad as the nominal starter until he was charged with another felony?

*Signs point to yes.*

Baylor is an outright fraud at this point. Yeah, it's not enough for everyone - in the above case, it's not enough for anyone.

#164 SamFisher, Aug 5, 2016
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Is calling Baylor a dumpster fire being too kind?

#165 J Sizzle, Aug 5, 2016
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Is calling Baylor a dumpster fire being too kind?
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It depends how you define "Dumpster Fire." I personally think they got off pretty light. Allowing kids that do not want to play for you is not a punishment. It's just a matter of decency. They fired their head coach which is a huge deal but they kept the whole staff which won't rock the boat in a serious way relative to typical NCAA penalties.

Keep in mind that a coach paying the electric bill for a poor football player's mother can result in these program penalties (none of which Baylor faced). Now these are the penalties given to USC because OJ Mayo and Reggie Bush accepted gifts from sports Agents:

-The football team was forced to vacate the final two wins of its 2004 national championship season, as well as all of its wins in 2005.
-It was also banned from bowl games in both 2010 and 2011
-It was docked 30 scholarships over three years.
-The basketball team gave up all of its wins from the 2007-08 season and sat out postseason play in 2010.

Reggie Bush probably generated millions in value to USC in what he brought with wins and excitement for the team which manifests itself in merch sales and ad buys. He accepted $100,000 in gifts which is fair compensation relative to his value.

The issues with Baylor were criminal in nature and not compliance so the NCAA really has no power. I feel ok with what Baylor did as a result. The most important thing is making changes so no woman is ever turned away again. But no one should play any violins for the losses of their football program.

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/baylor-...exual-assaults-by-football-players-1477681988

The sexual-violence scandal at Baylor University that cost its celebrated football coach his job involved 17 women who reported sexual or domestic assaults involving 19 players, including four alleged gang rapes, since 2011, according to Baylor regents.

Baylor fired coach Art Briles in May for failing to deal with sexual-violence allegations involving his squad, but provided only a vague description of the alleged improprieties at the time. Legions of fans and donors rallied to his cause.

Now, in interviews with The Wall Street Journal, regents who oversee the university are offering for the first time publicly more detailed findings from an outside investigation conducted by Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton LLP. The probe showed some Baylor players allegedly participated in what one regent calls a “horrifying and painful” series of assaults over several years.

In at least one case, Baylor regents said, Mr. Briles knew about an alleged incident and didn’t alert police, the school’s judicial-affairs staff or the Title IX office in charge of coordinating the school’s response to sexual violence.

The disclosures will likely reignite the sexual-assault scandal that for months has swirled around the private Baptist university, which currently boasts the eighth-ranked football team in the country.

The school previously has released few specifics about the findings. That led alumni and critics of Baylor’s handling of sexual violence on campus to clamor for more information about why Baylor fired not only Mr. Briles but the school’s high-profile president, former prosecutor Kenneth Starr.

“There was a cultural issue there that was putting winning football games above everything else, including our values,” said J. Cary Gray, a lawyer and member of the Baylor board of regents. More broadly, he said, “we did not have a caring community when it came to these women who reported that they were assaulted. And that is not OK.”

Mr. Gray added that he has heard many people defend Mr. Briles as a person and coach who “just wanted to be in the offensive boardroom drawing up plays. That is not the job for the head coach of a college football program. It is a big business. It is a complex organization that involves millions of dollars, and you have got to have an effective CEO in that role.”

Ernest Cannon of Stephenville, Texas, Mr. Briles’s lawyer, said Baylor appeared to be violating a nondisparagement clause that was part of the agreement the coach signed with the school in June in which the sides agreed not to litigate the terms of his departure. Mr. Cannon said Mr. Briles never discouraged any victims from filing claims against players.

Mr. Cannon said he couldn’t respond to Baylor’s latest claims because neither he nor Mr. Briles was given details of the allegations, including what players were allegedly involved and the circumstances of the complaints. Mr. Briles couldn’t be reached for comment.

Mr. Cannon said the regents are trying to hold Mr. Briles responsible for the university’s broader failure to implement a rigorous Title IX program, which has resulted in a raft of litigation unrelated to the football program.

“They are pulling their own house down to justify the mistakes they made,” Mr. Cannon said. “He’s the football coach. That’s not his job [to enforce Title IX]. That’s their job.”

Mr. Briles has acknowledged in television interviews that he made “mistakes” and said that he wants to return to coaching. He is often mentioned as a candidate for high-profile coaching jobs that could be open next year.

Two former Baylor football players have been convicted of sexual assault in the past four years, and a third, Shawn Oakman, is under indictment. He has pleaded not guilty. Baylor also is facing lawsuits from more than a dozen former students alleging the school turned a blind eye to reports of sexual assault over many years. Baylor has declined to comment about those cases.

Mr. Starr, who joined Baylor in 2010, left this summer in what was termed a “mutually agreed separation.” He has criticized the board’s lack of transparency regarding the sexual-assault scandal and has said he was never briefed on the findings the school is now releasing.

The scandal comes amid heightened concerns nationwide about sexual violence on campus. It is especially damaging for Baylor, which has long been a haven for Christian families seeking a sheltered collegiate environment for their sons and daughters. Drinking alcohol and premarital sex are banned by the Baylor student code of conduct.

Mr. Briles took over a downtrodden Baylor football program in 2008 and in less than a decade transformed it into a national power. By 2015, Mr. Briles was making more than $5 million a year, making him the highest-paid Baylor employee. The team, which is undefeated this year under interim coach Jim Grobe, plays rival University of Texas on Saturday.

On May 24, two days before the board announced plans to fire Mr. Briles, he addressed regents in a conference room in an office tower across the Brazos River from the $266 million football stadium that opened in 2014.

Baylor regents said that when Mr. Briles was asked what he would have done differently, he broke down and wept. Many board members began to cry as well.

“He couldn’t speak he was so upset, and all of us were,” Mr. Gray said. “Art said, ‘I delegated down, and I know I shouldn’t have. And I had a system where I was the last to know, and I should have been the first to know.’ ”

Mr. Cannon said Mr. Briles quoted Scripture and expressed his regrets over the painful situation Baylor was in, but didn’t admit to wrongdoing.

The board members said their decision to fire Mr. Briles wasn’t merely because of the school’s requirements under Title IX, the federal law that has increased the requirements on universities to police sexual violence on campus.

“As he heard information, what did he do with it? From a moral standpoint, what is the right thing to do?” said Ron Murff, a Dallas businessman who is chairman of the board of regents.

In one of the alleged gang rapes, the victim, who also was an athlete, told her coach that she didn’t want to go the police. When notified of the allegation, Mr. Briles told the victim’s coach that he hoped she would go to the police, according to people familiar with the matter. One person close to the victim said she viewed Mr. Briles as supportive of her claim. However, Mr. Briles didn’t notify the school’s judicial-affairs office or the Title IX office, these people said.

Baylor regents said that the board reviewed evidence, including text messages and emails between the alleged victims and the players, that supported the sexual-assault accusations, but that the probe didn’t attempt to conclusively substantiate all of the allegations.

In recent months, many prominent Baylor alumni have argued that the school needed to deal with sexual violence better, but that the football program was being unfairly singled out.

“The board panicked,” said Gale Galloway, an Austin businessman and former chairman of the Baylor board of regents.

Earlier this month, Baylor’s former Title IX coordinator, Patty Crawford, resigned from the school and alleged that, before and after the Pepper Hamilton probe, university officials impeded her efforts to tackle what she said was a campuswide issue not isolated to football.

In response to those arguments, Mr. Gray said, “football is just a fraction, but it is a bad fraction.”

Football players were involved in 10.4% of Title IX-reported incidents in the four-year period ending in 2014-15, Baylor said. The U.S. Department of Education said last week it is investigating Ms. Crawford’s complaint.

It is unclear whether Baylor’s additional disclosures will quell alumni dissatisfaction. Mr. Galloway is among a group of well-connected alumni who have met to explore options for changing the way the university is governed, according to people familiar with the matter.

Drayton McLane, a billionaire businessman whose name is on the Baylor football stadium, and other large donors asked the board for a private briefing on why the regents took such drastic action. Mr. Murff, chairman of the regents, declined to give them details of the investigation.

“They were very cold,” Mr. McLane said in an interview, adding that the controversy won’t affect his giving to Baylor and that he “just wants to understand the decisions that were made.”

Mr. Murff said other wealthy alumni suggested they would withhold millions of dollars if Baylor didn’t bring Mr. Briles back.

“It was all about football,” Mr. Murff said. “My response was that we felt like our fiduciary duty was to uphold the mission of the university. That was the primary objective. It was not just to win football games.”
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Maybe they should fire the regents and bring briles back. That will make the boosters happy, and they are they are the ones paying for the university.

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Note - there is never an acceptable level of rape, but for God's sake, 4 gang rapes?

Can't believe I still have capacity to be even more sickened by this scandal...

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Drayton McLane Stadium is a very fitting name, on a vastly less serious scale he raped the baseball fans of Houston.

Sadly, just like Penn State, there will be no meaningful penalties.

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60 Minutes report

Baylor's "TheTruth" website.

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Is this worth watching?

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Ha, I don't know?

Basically a he-said-she-said between former Title IX Patty Crawford & Reagan Ramsower & few comments from 4 regents.

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In another meeting, Crawford was said she was laying out the history of Baylor athletes accused of sexual assault. Ramsower tried to make the case that, “what Patty is saying is not fact” because “those women had mental illness.”

Crawford also was advised to avoid generating records herself. Crawford said at one point she wrote a 16-page memo to Ramsower outlining her concerns about how Baylor was moving in a “non-compliant trajectory” regarding Title IX. She said he responded by telling her, “Don’t ever put anything like that in writing to me again.” Ramsower denied saying that.

Acrobatics and tumbling coach Laprise Williams said she reported a series of sexual assaults to the athletic department in 2013 after several women came forward to her. According to the report, Williams was told “the women were not her problem and she should stick to coaching.” Williams later tried to help a student who said a football player “brutally” raped her—but the school’s counseling center immediately asked the student questions about drinking and her outfit, which Williams characterized as victim blaming. She left the school in 2014, believing standing up for the women was a part of why she had to go.
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http://deadspin.com/new-report-details-how-baylor-suppressed-reports-of-sex-1788471921

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Ha, I don't know
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Are you really going to KEEP saying that?

How can you, and look yourself in the mirror?

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