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Larry Craig

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  1. Zac D

    Zac D Contributing Member

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    OK, this seems a little odd to me. If the report is accurate, they based the arrest off interpretation of his foot-tapping?

    "Roll Call, citing the report, said Sgt. Dave Karsnia made the arrest after an encounter in which he was seated in a stall next to a stall occupied by Craig. Karsnia described Craig tapping his foot, which Karsnia said he 'recognized as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct.'"

    Based on that, that seems awfully flimsy to me. Certainly the reaction condemning him seems a little opportunistic to me at present. Why the **** would you plead guilty, though?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20467347/

    Senator's future in question after sex arrest
    Idaho lawmaker pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charge
    The Associated Press
    Updated: 7:27 a.m. ET Aug 28, 2007

    Washington - Idaho Sen. Larry Craig, who has voted against gay marriage and opposes extending special protections to gay and lesbian crime victims, finds his political future in doubt after pleading guilty to misdemeanor charges stemming from complaints of lewd conduct in a men's room.

    The conservative three-term senator, who has represented Idaho in Congress for more than a quarter-century, is up for re-election next year. He hasn't said if he will run for a fourth term in 2008 and was expected to announce his plans this fall.

    A spokesman, Sidney Smith, was uncertain late Monday if Craig's guilty plea in connection with an incident at the Minneapolis airport would affect his re-election plans.

    "It's too early to talk about anything about that," Smith said.

    Sexuality rumors denied
    A political science professor in Idaho said Craig's political future was in jeopardy. And a spokesman for the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, Hannah August, said Craig's guilty plea "has given Americans another reason not to vote Republican" next year.

    The married Craig, 62, has faced rumors about his sexuality since the 1980s, but allegations that he has engaged in gay sex have never been substantiated. Craig has denied the assertions, which he calls ridiculous.

    The arrest changes that dynamic, said Jasper LiCalzi, a political science professor at Albertson College of Idaho in Caldwell, Idaho. He cited the House page scandal that drove Florida Rep. Mark Foley from office.

    "There's a chance that he'll resign over this," LiCalzi said. "With the pressure on the Republican Party, he could be pressured to resign. If they think this is going to be something that's the same as Mark Foley -- the sort of 'drip, drip, drip, there's more information that's going to come out' -- they may try to push him out."

    Already Craig has stepped down from a prominent role with Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. He had been one of Romney's top Senate supporters, serving as a Senate liaison for the campaign since February.

    "He did not want to be a distraction and we accept his decision," said Matt Rhoades, a Romney campaign spokesman.

    Guilty plea
    According to a Hennepin County, Minn., court docket, Craig pleaded guilty to a disorderly conduct charge on Aug. 8, with the court dismissing a charge of gross misdemeanor interference to privacy.

    The court docket said Craig paid $575 in fines and fees and was put on unsupervised probation for a year. A sentence of 10 days in the county workhouse was stayed.

    Roll Call, a Capitol Hill newspaper, which first reported the case, said on its Web site Monday that Craig was arrested June 11 by a plainclothes officer investigating complaints of lewd conduct in a men's restroom at the airport.

    Minneapolis airport police declined to provide a copy of the arrest report after business hours Monday.

    The arrest
    Roll Call, citing the report, said Sgt. Dave Karsnia made the arrest after an encounter in which he was seated in a stall next to a stall occupied by Craig. Karsnia described Craig tapping his foot, which Karsnia said he "recognized as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct."

    Roll Call quoted the Aug. 8 police report as saying that Craig had handed the arresting officer a business card that identified him as a member of the Senate.

    "What do you think about that?" Craig is alleged to have said, according to the report.

    Craig said in a statement issued by his office Monday that he was not involved in any inappropriate conduct.

    "At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions," he said. "I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously."

    Party difficulities
    Craig joins other GOP senators facing ethical and legal troubles.

    Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, is under scrutiny for his relationship with a contractor who helped oversee a renovation project that more than doubled the size of the senator's home.

    Sen. David Vitter, R-La., acknowledged that his phone number appeared in records of a Washington-area business that prosecutors have said was a front for prostitution.

    Craig, a rancher and a member of the National Rifle Association, lives in Eagle, Idaho, near the capital of Boise. He was a member of the House for 10 years before winning election to the Senate in 1990. He was re-elected in 1996 and 2002.

    Last fall, Craig called allegations from a gay-rights activist that he's had homosexual relationships "completely ridiculous."

    Mike Rogers, who bills himself as a gay activist blogger, published the allegations on his Web site, www.blogactive.com, in October 2006.

    Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, an advocacy group, on Monday called Craig a hypocrite.

    "What's up with elected officials like Senator Craig? They stand for so-called family values and fight basic protections for gay people while furtively seeking other men for sex," Foreman said.
     
  2. Zac D

    Zac D Contributing Member

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    OK, there's a little more to it than that. Here's the original report from Roll Call, with excerpts from the police report.

    WARNING: THIS IS PRETTY HOT.

    http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/19764-1.html

    Craig Arrested, Pleads Guilty Following Incident in Airport Restroom but Says He Did Nothing Wrong

    By John McArdle
    Roll Call Staff

    Monday, Aug. 27, 2007; 7:17 pm

    Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) was arrested in June at a Minnesota airport by a plainclothes police officer investigating lewd conduct complaints in a men’s public restroom, according to an arrest report obtained by Roll Call on Monday afternoon.

    Craig’s arrest occurred just after noon on June 11 at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. On Aug. 8, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct in the Hennepin County District Court. He paid more than $500 in fines and fees, and a 10-day jail sentence was stayed. He also was given one year of probation with the court that began on Aug. 8.

    In a statement released Monday night, Craig denied any wrongdoing and said he regrets his guilty plea.

    After he was arrested, Craig, who is married, was taken to the Airport Police Operations Center to be interviewed about the lewd conduct incident, according to the police report. At one point during the interview, Craig handed the plainclothes sergeant who arrested him a business card that identified him as a U.S. Senator and said, “What do you think about that?” the report states.

    Craig was detained for approximately 45 minutes, interviewed, photographed, fingerprinted and released, and police prepared a formal complaint for interference with privacy and disorderly conduct.

    According to the incident report, Sgt. Dave Karsnia was working as a plainclothes officer on June 11 investigating civilian complaints regarding sexual activity in the men’s public restroom in which Craig was arrested.

    Airport police previously had made numerous arrests in the men’s restroom of the Northstar Crossing in the Lindbergh Terminal in connection with sexual activity.

    Karsnia entered the bathroom at noon that day and about 13 minutes after taking a seat in a stall, he stated he could see “an older white male with grey hair standing outside my stall.”

    The man, who lingered in front of the stall for two minutes, was later identified as Craig.

    “I could see Craig look through the crack in the door from his position. Craig would look down at his hands, ‘fidget’ with his fingers, and then look through the crack into my stall again. Craig would repeat this cycle for about two minutes,” the report states.

    Craig then entered the stall next to Karsnia’s and placed his roller bag against the front of the stall door.

    “My experience has shown that individuals engaging in lewd conduct use their bags to block the view from the front of their stall,” Karsnia stated in his report. “From my seated position, I could observe the shoes and ankles of Craig seated to the left of me.”

    Craig was wearing dress pants with black dress shoes.

    “At 1216 hours, Craig tapped his right foot. I recognized this as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct. Craig tapped his toes several times and moved his foot closer to my foot. I moved my foot up and down slowly. While this was occurring, the male in the stall to my right was still present. I could hear several unknown persons in the restroom that appeared to use the restroom for its intended use. The presence of others did not seem to deter Craig as he moved his right foot so that it touched the side of my left foot which was within my stall area,” the report states.

    Craig then proceeded to swipe his hand under the stall divider several times, and Karsnia noted in his report that “I could ... see Craig had a gold ring on his ring finger as his hand was on my side of the stall divider.”

    Karsnia then held his police identification down by the floor so that Craig could see it.

    “With my left hand near the floor, I pointed towards the exit. Craig responded, ‘No!’ I again pointed towards the exit. Craig exited the stall with his roller bags without flushing the toilet. ... Craig said he would not go. I told Craig that he was under arrest, he had to go, and that I didn’t want to make a scene. Craig then left the restroom.”

    In a recorded interview after his arrest, Craig “either disagreed with me or ‘didn’t recall’ the events as they happened,” the report states.

    Craig stated “that he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine,” the report states. Craig also told the arresting officer that he reached down with his right hand to pick up a piece of paper that was on the floor.

    “It should be noted that there was not a piece of paper on the bathroom floor, nor did Craig pick up a piece of paper,” the arresting officer said in the report.

    In the statement he released Monday night, Craig said the police were “misconstruing my actions.”

    “At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions,” he said. “I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct.”

    And although police documents show that Craig returned to the airport 11 days after the incident to inquire about a police contact so “his lawyer can speak to someone,” Craig said Monday night that he decided to enter a guilty plea without consulting a lawyer.

    “I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter,” he said. “In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously.”

    On Aug. 8, the day he pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in the Minnesota court, Craig appeared via satellite at a ceremony that took place in Idaho in which former Idaho federal Judge Randy Smith was invested into his new position as a judge on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

    In October 2006, Craig’s office publicly denied allegations that he was a homosexual made on a gay activist Web site — blogactive.com. Craig’s office told the Spokane Spokesman-Review that the charge was “completely ridiculous,” saying that the allegations had “no basis in fact.”

    Steven T. Dennis contributed to this report.
     
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    Perhaps they threatened to send Craig to Gitmo.
     
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    my experience has shown there's no other place to put your bag in a stall.
     
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    Another unfortunate He/said ~ He/Said incident for the repubs.
     
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    How many people take such a "wide stance" in the stall that they touch the foot of the person in the next stall. You, Basso? How many people wave their hand under the stall divider several times when someone is in the stall next to them? You, Basso? How many people who have served in the U.S. Congress and Senate for 25 years are dumb enough to plead guilty to a crime without benefit of counsel? You, Basso?
     
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    I flew in from Denver the other night and used one of the bathrooms by the Northstar crossing and surprisingly wasn't propositioned by a Republican Congressman.. ;)
     
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    Do you have small feet? :D
     
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    First of all, let me say that I think what he was doing was totally sketchy, creepy and what not. I just don't get how that is enough evidence for a conviction though? Furthermore, I still can't comprehend why he so easily pleaded guilty. I know his goal was to keep this under wraps but in some states they even print the results of traffic violation hearings. It's not like people wouldn't have found out somehow.
     
  10. mleahy999

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    I tried the foot tapping thing at work today and a Turkish bath house broke out.
     
  11. danny317

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    my 2 cents.

    let me just start by saying im a moderate.

    larry craig - lewd behavior in a public restroom... (read the police report on cnn, freaking hilarious!!!)
    alberto gonzales - failed to put the law above politics...
    mark foley - pedophile...
    don sherwood - affair and choking a woman...
    randy cunningham - pocketing tax payers money...
    tom delay - jack abramoff scandal
    bob ney - jack abramoff scandal
    john doolittle - jack abramoff scandal
    trent lott - affair and speech at strom thurmans b-day...
    bill oreilly - sexual harrassment (read transcripts of the tapes ... no means no dude)
    rush limbaugh - popping illegally obtained pills...

    you can talk all you want about the liberal media out on a witch hunt... but come on... for a party who campaigns on family values, fiscal responsibility, and smaller government...

    i dont understand how the republicans swept into power, gained control of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. yet they still managed to screw everything up.

    just goes to show you that "absolute power corrupts, absolutely"

    im sure there are just as many democrats out there who have done some messed up things (ie clinton - monica lewinsky affair...). the republicans have burned alot of bridges and made a big fuss about democrats and liberals over the past 10-15 years, but it seems very hypocritical to me.

    now the real test will be whether the next president will continue the increasing partisanship or he/she will be able to reach across the aisle and start rebuilding the current mess in washington.
     
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    Do you guys think he will resign? Looks like David Vitter is still a senator :p
     

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