1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Would you trade Watt for Luck?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by apcgamb24, Oct 13, 2014.

?

Watt for Luck?

  1. Yes

    236 vote(s)
    73.3%
  2. No

    86 vote(s)
    26.7%
  1. rocketpower2

    rocketpower2 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    11,030
    Likes Received:
    2,393
    Bortles is gonna be good but how good is the question. I don't think he ever gets to top 10 QB range, he just has horrible footwork that leads to accuracy issues.
     
  2. apcgamb24

    apcgamb24 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2013
    Messages:
    2,515
    Likes Received:
    56
    Guarantee you Texans would be 5-2 or 6-1 with Luck right now
     
  3. Fulgore

    Fulgore Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    16,214
    Likes Received:
    14,885
    Agreed. Texans go to gun fights with butter knives.
     
  4. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,159
    Likes Received:
    4,820
    Here's how you end this thread - name the last QB to have as great a year as Watt did last year... and win 2 games. It doesn't happen. Ever.

    I certainly understand Watt's popularity and how it might bias people's opinions - but anyone who wouldn't deal Watt for Luck seven days a week and twice on Sunday is... well, it's just silly. I wouldn't trade him for any other QB. (Maybe Cam Newton... maybe.) But Andrew Luck? They would have to invent a new way to measure time I'd make that deal so fast. He's 25 years old and already one of the five best QBs in football. You guarantee yourself competitive football - and cosnsistent playoff appearances - for at least 10 years with him. It's an absolute no brainer.
     
  5. ima_drummer2k

    ima_drummer2k Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2002
    Messages:
    35,618
    Likes Received:
    7,576
    I think one day Bortles could possibly be as good as Ryan Tannehill.
     
  6. roxallways

    roxallways Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2008
    Messages:
    16,812
    Likes Received:
    9,358
    Watt is an elite defensive player but you always go with a good to elite talent at QB over anything else. QB is the single most important position in sports, you really have no chance if the QB is not any good, especially in today's NFL. It's inexcusable how this organization has neglected and approached the most important position in sports over its existence in the league. Total incompetence.
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2002
    Messages:
    46,550
    Likes Received:
    6,131
    This argument has been addressed
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2002
    Messages:
    46,550
    Likes Received:
    6,131
    With our skill players fumbling and our secondary and linebacker corps so bad, I doubt it.

    Did anyone notice the one play Watt wasn't in? Zero pressure and a 30 yard completion. It was amazing how they go from intense pressure to absolutely nothing.
     
  9. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,159
    Likes Received:
    4,820
    Oh, cool - who were the QBs you came up with?
     
  10. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2006
    Messages:
    26,729
    Likes Received:
    3,477
    Someone let me know when Luck wins less than 11 games and misses the playoffs.
     
  11. Remii

    Remii Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2013
    Messages:
    7,622
    Likes Received:
    106
    Fixed it for you :grin:
     
  12. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    33,358
    Likes Received:
    19,204
    That's what our prize for sucking all of last year is for. Too bad he can't play.
     
  13. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,159
    Likes Received:
    4,820
    Yeah, I don't need your help; thanks. The Colts' defense is not better than Houston's. It benefits from having an offense that scores 31 points/game and doesn't turn it over on their side of the field with any consistency.
     
  14. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2006
    Messages:
    26,729
    Likes Received:
    3,477
    The Colts just pitched a shutout. The Texans just gave up 24 points in 3 minutes.
     
  15. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,159
    Likes Received:
    4,820
    Cool....
     
  16. Remii

    Remii Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2013
    Messages:
    7,622
    Likes Received:
    106
    Hmmmm... I remember the 1st game of the year when the Texans beat Washington _ no one brought up how Washington turned the ball over in the red zone :confused: All that was said was how dominant the defense was.

    Bell eating up all of those yards last night and Brown catching passes and throwing a TD pass had nothing to do with the offense.

    Indy's defense is #10 against the pass & #11 against the run... They have a better secondary and a better LB core than the Texans. The Cowboys have a good offense but they are ranked #17 & #19 defensively in both of those categories...
     
  17. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,159
    Likes Received:
    4,820
    OK...... I'm at a loss what your point is......

    All those yards? He had 57, including a 20-yarder. Beyond that, he averaged 3.3/carry. And yeah... Brown's TD pass *did* have something to do with the offense....

    They're giving up 2 more points/game than the Texans. Meanwhile, their offense is first in yards/game; second in points/game; first in time of possession. And they've taken double-digit leads into the 4thQ of all but one of their seven games this year.

    Their defense isn't working *nearly* as hard as the Texans'...

    Yes, and it took nearly 5 Qs for them to hang 20 on the Texans.

    The Texans' defense has given up 10 scoring drives of less than 50 yards, including three TD drives of *less than 10 yards*. They've given up just 92 points on drives of 50+ - and 24 of those came in a single quarter against the Colts. Oh, and btw, the defense has scored 3 of the Texans' 17 TDs this season (technically, 4...) - 13 TDs in 7 games. The Colts' offense has scored 24.
     
  18. Remii

    Remii Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2013
    Messages:
    7,622
    Likes Received:
    106
    So you're giving me the "Dallas only scored 20 points" moral victory defense... When Dallas had 450 yards total offense and converted 8-14 3rd down conversions (8-14 is ridiculous). Dallas only scoring 20 points may have just been a fluke. But I can't debate the score, so ok...

    Wow...!!! Great stats. That really sounds impressive ----> And then I remember that Dallas and Indy are arguably the only good offenses (and QB's) that we've faced this year which makes those stats skewed... And maybe that argument could be made for Indy as well. That's the thing about throwing stats around _ the numbers will lie if you're not looking at the entire picture.

    But ok... You win. But regardless of how you spin it Indy's defense is ranked higher than ours. Indy has a top 10 defense (and their best pass rusher is out). And if Indy's defense is only a top 10 defense for the reasons you say _ that just shows why Luck is even more of a valuable commodity than J.J.

    So like I originally said, Indy has Luck and a better defense... And you're welcome for the help. Hey, we just went in a circle :)
     
  19. david_rocket

    david_rocket Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2003
    Messages:
    9,484
    Likes Received:
    829
    yeah, because with Luck, Manning, doesnt drop it in the kickoff return, then foster doesnt fumble the ball, or with Luck hopkins doesnt fumble the ball, or with Luck the defense doesnt give 24 points in the 1st qtr last week.
     
  20. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2007
    Messages:
    50,204
    Likes Received:
    40,912
    Just look at the year the Saints are having with a Hall of Fame QB behind center...It's not much better than ours thus far...
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now