Rockets showing interest in trading for Ricky Rubio?

Lmaoooo. Why in the hell would we give up 2 starters for Rubio? Our team will go from bad to horrendous. Turrible trade

 

No thanks

 

Thanks bud, that would be awful. I don't want Rubio in Houston either.

He is a bad fit with Harden.

 

Keep in mind if you trade Beverley and Brewer for Rubio. Sign Hortford 26 million you'll have about 15 million left to sign someone. Jared Dudley a name no one is bringing up and he may not cost the full 15 million. You may be able to add a rotational bench player as well and in this case you will still have Ariza to trade. A championship team no, but it is an improved team. IMO I would use Ariza to get Tyson Chandler from Phoenix and add KJ McDaniels and perhaps Andrew G to try to pull PJ Tucker from Phoenix. The amount Jared Dudley signs for becomes key, hopefully it's at 10 million per year and not much more.

 

Please explain how Rubio is a bad fit next to Harden.

He's a great defender, ball handler, and play maker who isn't going to take shots from Harden.

What exactly don't you like?

 

Because Rubio is not a good off the ball player. Defenders would play off of him and would be free to double Harden or clog the paint. Any wide open shots kicked around the perimeter would ultimately land in Rubio's hands and clank.

On the ball, you would have an inferior player taking the ball out of a superior players hands. You may get Harden more open shots, but Harden doesn't need help getting good looks.

Its just a terrible fit all the way around. The only way it works is with Rubio running things when Harden is not on the floor.

 

HE.CAN'T.SHOOT!

Whether or not it's at the perimeter, at midrange, or at the rim, he sucks at it. He is literally one of if not the worst shooting PG.

Harden needs spacing when he handles the ball. For that to happen, we need shooters, much better ones than we have. Rubio is on the OPPOSITE end of the spectrum.

 

There is no disputing Rubio blows at shooting, but its not as if Bev is a lights out shooter either. With Rubio you at least get a PG who can pass the ball. I also believe that most of Rubio's issues with shooting are mental (confidence), which could be recovered and improved upon.

I respectfully disagree that Harden doesn't need help. You are correct in that he can get his own look at will, but that comes with a cost..arguably on the defensive side of the ball.

If we can get a guy who can help set Harden up, perhaps he would feel as if he's not carrying the entire offensive burden for 82 straight games. That's the type of help i think Harden needs.......(in addition to someone else who can put the ball in the hoop, but that doesn't help my argument here so lets ignore that point)

Also, don't take any of the above as if i'm suggesting anything other than Rubio to be a below average NBA PG. I simply believe he could contribute to this team at the PG position.

 

Why is this thread alive? Has there really been any indication over the last couple of years that Morey is still interested in Rubio?

 

Exactly. With all the movement happening today Rubio is one of the last names we are hearing about. The wolves drafted a guard .... yeah so what? There is no indication that Dunn will even be a PG in the NBA. For all the speculation why aren't we hearing more about Levine or Muhammad (substantially more intriguing players) than if we are going to speculate.

Rubio is an overpaid PG who can't shoot, or finish, and whose defense is severely overrated. More than likely if we aren't hearing about him outside of Hollic's nonsense, he's not being shopped because nobody wants him.... yet (I think Philly might get desperate... the Rockets aren't nearly that desperate). Let's wait till SOME sort of news comes out to speculate because we have bigger fish to fry right now.

 

Patrick Beverley was a 40% 3 point shooter last year. (37-career)
Ricky Rubio was a 32% 3 point shooter last year. (31-career)

Not sure what you think lights out is, but 40% is pretty dang good. Ricky Rubio's issues are that he can't shoot, for whatever reason. To believe that after 4 years of terrible shooting, Rubio will all of the sudden be a good shooter is silly.

Patrick Beverley can pass the ball, he makes numerous passes a game.

Which is fine, get him a PG that fits, not Ricky Rubio, who absolutely doesn't.

 

Harden has never shown he can be effective 'off the ball'. He shoots best off the dribble and is not a catch and shoot player.

Rubio can't shoot or finish, so he's useless 'off the ball'

Harden IS the point guard on this team, in spite of being labeled a two. He is only effective with the ball in his hands.

The ideal compliment to him is a Klay Thompson type shooter, but those type of players aren't easy to find - particularly if you want a guy that can play D too. Reddick, Mccollum, Fournier or a younger version of a Jose Calderon are guys that would fit with Harden.

MJ had Kerr, Paxton, Hodges and Armstrong to fire up 3's while MJ (or Pippen) controlled the ball.

 

He showed plenty ability to play off the ball at OKC

 

Olympics as well

 

Basically you guys are saying the only way Harden plays within a team concept is if we get players better than him??

 

No what we're saying is if he actually plays with players that have semblance of talent he can thrive. You don't have to put LeBron/Durant/CP3 with Harden but you can't expect championships putting Ariza/Brewer/Bev with him either. Need to find a middle ground.

 

I do agree our group isn't a championship caliber team, but

But here's the thing, the argument even with a middle ground will be...

Why would we take the ball out of Harden's hands towards a less efficient shot (IE player not better than Harden at scoring?)

 

I hear you but lets put it this way:

Getting a group of elite players is next to impossible.

We've seen what workload Harden has to go through with garbage players around him.

So if we rule out those two situations, then what other option is there? That's where you have to put some faith (I'm still hesitant btw) in Pringles' offense and put some faith that more talented players than what we had last year would yield better results.

 

Next target after Conley resigns in Memphis

 

Putting a guy that can't shoot next to Harden will only clog the lane.

A clogged Lane is very bad for Harden.