Congrats to Obama - First President in a Generation to Stand up to Israel

Obama is so bad at foreign policy. The ONLY country in that region that is a true ally of the USA is Israel.

 

Why is it OK for Israel to publicly slam and attempt to undermine US foreign policy, but it's not OK for the US to question Israel's? That seems like a weird definition of "true ally".

Our support for Israel is based on the presumed mutual agreement between the US, Israel, the Palestinians, and the rest of the world that a two-state solution of some sort is the ultimate goal. That has been the goal of US administrations for decades and the justification we use with the rest of the world in tolerating the "bad" things they do (settlements, occupation, etc) - it's simply an unfortunate necessary means to an acceptable endgame. If Israel no longer has any intention of the endgame, why exactly are we not supposed to reevaluate what exactly we are supporting?

 

if by true ally you mean "got s**tloads of military aid and nuclear help from America then sold American military secrets to China" then sure, Israel is a true ally.

Read more: http://defensetech.org/2013/12/24/r...s-military-technology-to-china/#ixzz3VVfoxYGq
Defense.org

more like vassal state gone rogue. America needs to reassert its dominance in this relationship: kudos for Obama and the American military for starting on this path.

 

Wow. Drudging up old Nazi imagery and refreshing it for the new age.

 

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Israeli arms dealers twice tried to send spare parts for fighter planes to Iran, The Telegraph has established, flouting an international arms embargo and openly contradicting the bitter enmity between the Jewish state and the Islamic regime.

The illegal shipments are now being investigated by the US Homeland Security Department after they were intercepted by authorities in Greece.

The potentially explosive revelation came as six world powers resumed negotiations with Iran in Vienna aimed at reaching a long-term agreement over Tehran’s nuclear programme"



Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, marked the event with a renewed call for increased pressure on Iran to force it to abandon a programme that Israel regards as a front for building an atomic bomb and a threat to its existence.

Visiting the Golan Heights on Tuesday, he accused Iran of “arming those who are carrying out the slaughter” in neighbouring Syria.

“I would like to tell the world, today, as the talks between the major powers and Iran are being resumed, that Iran has changed neither its aggressive policy nor its brutal character. Iran is continuing to support the Assad regime, which is slaughtering its own people,” Mr Netanyahu said.

But a court in Athens has told The Telegraph that parts appearing on an American list of forbidden military-grade materials had been shipped from Israel on two occasions, apparently destined for Iran.

The seized items comprised spare parts for military aircraft: a constant speed drive designed for the F-4 Phantom jet, and a voltage output sensor used in the F-14 Tomcat.

The parts were confiscated by Greece’s financial crimes squad and were being sent to the US for investigation, court officials said.

The defence and foreign ministries in Israel declined to comment on the seizures, which were first revealed by Kathimerini, a Greek newspaper.

The shipments - one in Dec 2012 and the other last April - were sent by courier from the Israeli town of Binyamina-Givat Ada, near Haifa, via a company in Greece, the newspaper reported.

The firm was later established to be a ghost company. Its contact number was said to belong to a British national in the Greek city of Thessaloniki, who could not be traced.

Israeli media carried only brief versions of the report, suggesting that the matter may be subject to the country’s strict military censorship.

Writing in Yedioth Ahronoth, Israel’s biggest-selling newspaper, Alex Fishman, a military-affairs commentator, suggested that the report may have been leaked by US officials as a coded warning to Israel not to try to sabotage the nuclear negotiations with Iran, which were continuing yesterday.

A blogger, Richard Silverstein pointed the finger at two possible culprits who he said were well-known arms dealers living in Binyamina-Givat Ada. The pair had come to the attention of Israeli and US authorities on suspicion of violating the arms embargo on Iran in the past, Silverstein wrote, but had never been charged or prosecuted. “There can be no doubt that they are colluding with Israeli intelligence,” he added.

Previous illicit Israeli arms shipments to Iran have come to the public attention, notably in the 1986 Iran-Contra scandal, when it emerged that Israel was acting as a conduit to send weapons to from the US to Iran in exchange for its help in winning the release of American hostages held in Lebanon.

In 1998, an Israeli court sentenced Nahum Manbar, a businessman and former decorated soldier, to 16 years in prison after he was convicted of secretly selling Iran equipment to make chemical weapons.

Iran’s ageing fleets of up to 75 US-made F-4 Phantoms and 19 F-14 Tomcats were purchased under the Shah, when the country was close to Washington. Israel, once the largest foreign operator of the Phantom, retired its last F-4s in 2004, suggesting that the spare sold may have been second hand. The Pentagon stopped selling spare parts for the F-14 in 2007, fearing that they might end up in Iran, the only country where the F14 is still in operation.

The US later shredded its own fleet to ensure that spare parts could not be acquired. Iran’s need of equipment for its Tomcats was exposed in Jan 2012 when one crashed shortly after take-off, killing both crew members.

 

From the artists website: "He studied, read and listened, and was soon armed with a solid understanding of secret societies, zionist banking criminals, and the New World Order agenda." He's also a 9/11 Truther, fearer of chemtrails, hater of the UN, Holocaust denier, and Hitler admirer.

In short he's a complete nutcase, no wonder Exiled likes him.

 

Yeah, I have that jew hating poster on ignore. The funny thing is that Bnai Brith is a jewish service organization that has nothing to do pushing Israeli policy.

 

Are we sure the artist isnt' Exiled?

 

Get that **** out of here. I'm a severe critic of the state of Israel. This is anti-semitic propaganda.

 

Way funnier is that he has SPLC on there.

Really, the Southern Poverty Law Center?

 

The difference between critics of Israel and anti-Semites: Critics point to specific policy disagreements, anti-Semites consistently vast Jewish conspiracies and think the tentacles of those nasty Jews just infect every institution in order to prop up the Zionists.

Take that crap to Stormfront.

 

Even more funnier, if you google "SPLC jewish" the first result is the JDL page from the SPLC site describing it as a radical organization that preaches violent Jewish nationalism. The second result is from "the zog" and talks about Jewish control of the SPLC

 

Great job by all the pro-Israeli bigots on this board to derail the thread.

 

So we're bigoted by calling out a bigot?

 

No, you an thank an actual genuine anti-semite, Exile, for derailing the thread.

 

Wow... I didn't even see that haha. I just saw B'nai Brith and thought of my grandmother.

 

Some attracted to appealing names the way bugs Loves crashing to headlights

Regardless what your political opinion , left, right, conservative , liberal etc, there is an organization made to ride you for their own causes . It's all about gaining influence and power, which ulitimilty going to dictates the American Politics . And does't hurt to put a case or two of good well in front of the public eyes for a better image. Think of it as Foxnews v. NBC they cash on both sides and the ownership of both are almost the same.

 

As a Jew, I can confirm. All of your reps are belong to me!

Seriously though, Exiled, your bigotry and blatant anti-semitism do nothing to support your ridiculous conspiracy beliefs.

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Now, back on topic, it is good to see Obama critique Isreal's actions. America wouldn't let itself be bullied by any other nation, so why should our government let Israel do so? Also, it's not like the U.S. is cutting off relations with Israel or anything outlandish like that; they will still remain our main allies in the region and continue to receive plenty of support.