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Kansas: A Conservative Utopia

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  1. percicles

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    Taking a page out of the Hugo Chavez handbook. I like.

     
  2. g1184

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    Kansas has to win the award for worst state government in the US. Texas looks damn good in comparison. (although every time I look at the list of who's retiring in the Texas House and Senate, I get more worried)
     
  4. larsv8

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    I feel bad for the people of Kansas, but it seems like it is almost necessary to illustrate just how corrupt and incompetent the conservatives are.
     
  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Defunding the judiciary because they overrule you? Wow, talk about crazy. He must have learned that from Rick Perry.
     
  6. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Kansas continue to struggle under Conservative Utopia. Now add Louisiana as another example of the great Conservative idea of tax cut as the ultimate solution to everything and failing miserably due to it.

     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    In a related story another conservative state that resisted the ACA now looks to accept the Medicaid expansion.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/surpr...s-medicaid-expansion-051849585--politics.html

    In surprising turnabout, Oklahoma eyes Medicaid expansion

    OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Despite bitter resistance in Oklahoma for years to President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, Republican leaders in this conservative state are now confronting something that alarms them even more: a huge $1.3 billion hole in the budget that threatens to do widespread damage to the state's health care system.

    So, in what would be the grandest about-face among rightward leaning states, Oklahoma is now moving toward a plan to expand its Medicaid program to bring in billions of federal dollars from Obama's new health care system.

    What's more, GOP leaders are considering a tax hike to cover the state's share of the costs.

    "We're to the point where the provider rates are going to be cut so much that providers won't be able to survive, particularly the nursing homes," said Republican state Rep. Doug Cox, referring to possible cuts in state funds for indigent care that could cause some hospitals and nursing homes to close.

    Despite furious opposition by conservative groups, Republican Gov. Mary Fallin and some GOP legislative leaders are pushing the plan, and support appears to be growing in the overwhelmingly Republican Legislature. Details have not been ironed out but the proposal is based on an Indiana program that received federal approval.

    Obama called on states to expand their Medicaid insurance for low-income residents as part of his 2014 health overhaul designed to shrink the population of uninsured Americans. Most Democratic-led states did so, along with a handful of GOP states.

    But in Oklahoma, even with 20 percent of its population on Medicaid, it's been no way, no how. Until now.

    A bust in the oil patch has decimated state revenues, compounded by years of income tax cuts and growing corporate subsidies intended to make the state more business-friendly.

    Oklahoma's Medicaid agency has warned doctors and other health care providers of cuts of up to 25 percent in what the state pays under Medicaid.

    "We are nearing a colossal collapse of our health care system in Oklahoma," warned Craig Jones, the president of the Oklahoma Hospital Association, which represents more than 135 hospitals and health care systems in the state. "We have doctors turning away patients. We have people with mental illnesses who are going without treatment. Hospitals are closing, and this is only going to get worse this summer if the Legislature does not act immediately to turn this around."

    In the poverty-wracked southeastern corner of the state, where 96 percent of babies in the McCurtain Memorial Hospital are born to Medicaid patients, most health care would end, said hospital CEO Jahni Tapley.

    "A 25 percent cut to Medicaid would not put my hospital in jeopardy, because we are already in jeopardy," Tapley said. "A 25 percent cut would shutter our doors for good, leaving 33,000 people without access to health care."

    Nursing homes have been warning residents that they may be closing. Asked where she would go if the Beadles Nursing Home in the small town of Alva closes, Jeanie Yohn, 89, said: "I just can't imagine. I have three daughters, but they don't live here."

    Under the proposal, which would be funded in part with a $1.50-per-pack tax on cigarettes, Oklahoma would shift 175,000 people from its Medicaid rolls onto the federal health exchange created by the Affordable Care Act. That would make room for adding to Medicaid roughly the same number of working poor who are currently uninsured. Participants would pay nominal premiums and co-pays.

    The move, by increasing the number of uninsured people covered, would allow the state to tap into the extra money offered under the federal law. Beginning in 2017, the federal government would cover 95 percent of the state's Medicaid costs, decreasing to 90 percent of the share in 2020.

    Fallin, a former congresswoman who voted against Obama's health plan when it came before the House, argues that the plan doesn't amount to expanding Medicaid because the program's rolls don't grow. Rather, she said, it "transitions 175,000 Medicaid enrollees to the private insurance market."

    No matter what state leaders call it, conservative groups aren't happy about the idea of more government health spending.

    "They can call it Medicaid rebalancing, but there's only one federal program that offers a 9-to-1 federal match, and that's Obamacare," said Johnathan Small, president of Oklahoma Council on Public Affairs, a free-market think-tank that opposes higher taxes. The opponents have called for covering health costs by cutting spending for less essential programs.

    Americans for Prosperity, another conservative think-tank backed by the billionaire philanthropist Koch brothers, David and Charles, also has launched a campaign against the proposal and is hosting a "NobamaCare" event at the state Capitol to voice their opposition.
     
  8. Carl Herrera

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">KS, where moderate Rs made push to oust Brownback's conservative allies: I count about 13-15 incumbent R legislators who lost primary today.</p>&mdash; Taniel (@Taniel) <a href="https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/760676435501744129">August 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  9. cml750

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    lol at the premise of this thread.
     
  10. g1184

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    You and me both, brother. As if conservatives know how to spell the word "utopia," much less create one.
     
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    Moronic tea party chairman Tim Huelskamp OUT, sensible Republican Roger Marshall in. A small glimmer of hope, perhaps?

     
  12. pirc1

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    Tea party was the worst thing to happen to US politics in the last fifty years.
     
  13. Cohete Rojo

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    Worse than the Segregation Party winning presidential electoral votes?

    If you say so, captain!
     
  14. peleincubus

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    Worse as a whole. In how it has impacted this country? I would say so.
     
  15. Cohete Rojo

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    You can't make this stuff up can you folks.

    A group of "don't tax us so much" supporters is worse than a 4-state winning movement in the wake of the Civil Rights Act of 1965 to segregate blacks from whites and restore pre-CRA Jim Crow.

    Gotcha!
     
  16. Commodore

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    if you anger The Chamber of Crony Capitalism, they will primary you

    very tough for any conservative to compete with that
     
  17. Dubious

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    Nothing motivates us more than a disaster, we all pitch in and help. So maybe the tea party is going to serve a purpose. The demographic weight of a backlash could flip some party power. You have to crack the majority power before you can address anything like repealing gerrymandering.

    Kansas panel's scolding gives Brownback preview of future

    TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback's administration got a taste of what working with a less conservative Legislature could look like Friday in the form of an oversight committee's angry, bipartisan scolding over issues within the state's Medicaid program....
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/kansas-p...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
     
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  18. Commodore

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    I live in Kansas (well, KC MO) and have lived all over the country

    always amusing that people think it's some sort of dysfunctional wasteland (like say, inner-city America)

    it has low cost of living, decent weather, centrally located, low crime, and midwest people are some of the friendliest in the country
     
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    ...who are apparently unaware that federal marginal tax rates are already at or near historic lows...
     
  20. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost not wrong
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    Kansas is a dysfunctional, backwards, toilet-bowl-circling wasteland.

    Saying you're from KC-MO is like saying you're from Mars as far as rural Kansas and municipal government are concerned.
     

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