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[ALS Awareness] NBA Ice Bucket challenges

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by RV6, Aug 19, 2014.

  1. Pieman2005

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    Oh god. You watched that guys' conspiracy YouTube video? He wasn't even reading the reports right.

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  4. Smacktle

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    When was the Polio vaccine? 1950s! What vaccine have they come up with that is inexpensive since then? Name one. Who gets the AIDs drug for free? Even flu shots are a moneymaker FOR THE DRUG COMPANIES. Open your eyes man. Vaccines may or may not cause Autism. Would you give your kids any vaccines nowadays?

    In the USA we pay higher rates for drugs than anywhere else. Why is that? Why is it illegal to go to Mexico buy an antidote and bring it back to the USA? Because the hospitals want to charge you $10,000 for something that costs (and is made) $100 in Mexico. Why can't I get Viagra from Canada and bring it into the USA? Because the drug companies have lobbied Congress and they passed legislation to protect them. So us here in the USA subsidize everybodies drugs. We pay higher prices to cover the cost of research etc...

    Show me where all this money is going and let me know when the cure happens. Where is the cure for cancer?! There is no money to be made in cures. The money is made in keeping us alive a little longer so the hospitals and drug companies can bleed us dry.
     
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    What are you talking about? Are you really claiming that there haven't been any vaccines since the 1950s...? The vaccine for measles became available in 1963. The voster vaccine came out in 2006. Just Google, man.

    A vaccine is between $40-200. But getting hospitalized for those diseases would cost thousands.. what would make more profit? Selling you a $100 vaccine, or charging you $1000s while you're sick in the hospital?

    oh, because they haven't cured that yet, let's ignore all the other horrible diseases that we've cured/controlled over the last 50 years. :rolleyes:

    Vaccines do not cause autism. This is a stupid, baseless claim made popular by a ding bat lady (Jenny McCarthy) who has no knowledge of autism or medicine.

    Please find me one study in a scientific/medical journal that proves autism is a side effect of vaccination. This topic has been proven false over, and over, and over, and yet the uneducated people keep lapping it up. :rolleyes:

    Are prices out of control? Sure they are. But that doesn't mean they're letting people get sick instead of curing them, which is evident by the medical advancements made every year and increasing life span over the century.
     
  6. tksense

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    Oh some ppl will tell you this exactly. One of my buddy is in cancer research in Genentech. You know, at the meeting from up top, the very top, they only talk about goals of how to keep patient diseased. Ok? It's not even a shocking thing, it's expected attitude in that circle.

    You can also check out this book, written by a good person.

    http://dumit.net/drugs-for-life/

    With a bbc radio link too.
     
  7. tksense

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    And since you touch in life span again, so as the most medically advanced country with the most spending power, how does it rank compared to even moderately rich countries?

    Check Shanghai for example. It's a third world country, without too great of resources compared to New York. Which city do you think has longer life span?

    People stateside can do much better, to put it lightly.

    As far as vaccines, it gets complicated, but there are info u can pull which might shock you. Maybe for some other time anyways. It's not that important what we believe. Some things happen, which could be better if they don't.

    All I'm saying there are countries where curing diseases is an act of simple and sincere will. Why can't US citizens enjoy this too?
     
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    Not sure if this whole thing is a good idea for raising awareness or money for ALS, but it's a great way to have a few laughs.

    CNN-Ice Bucket Challenge Fails.
     
  9. bilease

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    Honestly, this comment made me sign up on this website just to reply...

    First of all, please never mention that vaccines could cause autism ever again. Ever. It's just wrong and stupid. I wont even go into details about it since it's an utter waste of time, look it up and educate yourself.

    Furthermore, there are a lot of vaccines been developed since the 50s and if not vaccines at least other ways to help sick people and reduce the effects of certain diseases. And please dont expect an ALS vaccine within 2 weeks because people are donating a lot to the foundation right now, that's not how it works. It takes money to get people and resources, but from then on it takes time and more money to keep those people. And don't forget that it's very complicated and success can't be guaranteed by money.

    To get to your last point that hospitals/companies are interested in keeping sick people alive instead of selling vaccines, well, you're simply thinking to easily about this issue. Let's assume there are 30k sick people (afaik thats the amount of people suffering from ALS in the US), each of these would pay thousands of dollars every year to make their life easier and stay alive as long as possible. Sounds like a lot of money right? But let's assume there would be a vaccine available, let's say for just 100$. Of course about 310 million US citizens would pay for that vaccine. That would be 310 000 000 00$, and vaccines usually have to be refreshed every few years. So there would be a constant payment, and obviously a lot more since vaccines would be available worldwide and not just in the US. It would most likely create more money for a company than your theory of "keeping people alive to get their money". Don't forget, the amount of people suffering from ALS is very low (0.0001% to be exact). Obviously it would make more sense to get money for vaccines out of >99% of the population instead of just 0.0001%. Every pharmaceutical company would love to sell vaccines for ALS (or other serious diseases), it would guarantee an incredible amount of cash for decades. But as I said before, it requires a lot of people, time, resources and money to find cures/vaccines against diseases. The "ice bucket challenge" is at least helping a little bit by making people aware of the disease and to raise money to support people working on the problem.

    Well now that's a political problem and not a lack of medicine being unavailable/not developed yet. You mentioned that "flu shots are a moneymaker FOR THE DRUG COMPANIES", well I have not paid for any flu shot in my entire life. Needless to say I do not live in the US. That's a political problem that's unfortunately ignored by a lot of people, and instead of claming that hospitals dont want to help people maybe start working on that. ;)
     

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